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Originally posted by Landchipper:
The price keeps me away this time.
But, the balance is a beautiful feel.

It really feels great in hand. I was surprised how much I liked it.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I can direct you to a hurt feelings reporting form if you’d like?

It’s weird that you see people like Ben Stoeger publishing the same expiernces that you see at a USPSA match, but the internet claims that our eyes lie to use.

Hurt feelings? Nah lol.

I’m plenty good thanks and I already have my share of Glocks.

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Originally posted by jljones:
When I see a cop carrying a Stacatto, it’s “tell me you don’t shoot a lot without telling me you don’t shoot a lot”

My experience is the opposite, the guys that shoot more tend toward something like the 2011. That’s my microcosm up here though. I’m issued a G22, but the Staccato P is much more fun to shoot, and I have to buy my own ammo, so I’ll shoot the 9mm. The 2011 wasn’t my first choice, but policy limits us to Glock or 1911.

I suspect that if LEOs are carrying department-issued Staccatos, it's likely due to the dept having extra funds they need to spend, so expensive, fancy sidearms would be fun. Plus, they are in a sense 'buying skill' as jljones implies.

If an LEO is carrying a Staccato that he paid for out-of-pocket, it's likely that he's a shooting enthusiast who practices on his own and appreciates the finer points of firearms; i.e., he shoots a lot more than the average LEO.

Obviously there is no such thing as “buying skill”, unless it’s paying for ammo, training, etc.

That being said, some pistols most definitely maximize the skills a shooter already has, because they don’t require as much skill to shoot well.

You can't buy skill, but you can buy performance. Skill without performance only goes so far. Performance without skill only goes so far. There are a lot of people looking for a shortcut with 2011s, compensators, porting, triggers, magwells, etc.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Ahhhh ok. Yeah Staccato’s are not meant to be shot.

Well that WAS the general feeling amongst folks of why they became Staccato. STI handguns had become hugely popular with mid tier competitive shooters (far and away the group with the most shooters). And the one thing those people did was shoot their guns. A lot. Used them hard. Lots of broken guns. Lots of repairs. (plus towards the end they tried to sell off the shelf, ready to go Limited and Open guns with their DVC line and that didn't turn out great. More of the same problems, only worse)

So they rebranded, reinvented themselves and marketed to a customer base that would shoot... less. To use a derisive term, market to "Tactical Timmies".

The Staccato has become THE Gotta Have It gun. The super amazingest awesomest pistol eva!
I see SO MANY of them for sale, slightly used. And I think guys buy them and they just don't change their lives. They don't make them great shooters. Mostly they just realize they don't really have a use for it, that they don't need it.


(And for the record, so you don't dismiss me as a "hater", I own two STI and a Staccato)

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Ahhhh ok. Yeah Staccato’s are not meant to be shot.

Well that WAS the general feeling amongst folks of why they became Staccato. STI handguns had become hugely popular with mid tier competitive shooters (far and away the group with the most shooters). And the one thing those people did was shoot their guns. A lot. Used them hard. Lots of broken guns. Lots of repairs. (plus towards the end they tried to sell off the shelf, ready to go Limited and Open guns with their DVC line and that didn't turn out great. More of the same problems, only worse)

So they rebranded, reinvented themselves and marketed to a customer base that would shoot... less. To use a derisive term, market to "Tactical Timmies".

The Staccato has become THE Gotta Have It gun. The super amazingest awesomest pistol eva!
I see SO MANY of them for sale, slightly used. And I think guys buy them and they just don't change their lives. They don't make them great shooters. Mostly they just realize they don't really have a use for it, that they don't need it.


(And for the record, so you don't dismiss me as a "hater", I own two STI and a Staccato)

I see a ton of used Glocks too, just saying.

I think people sell their Staccatos to get into higher end 2011’s many times. I know many folks who have done exactly that.

That being said, the design isn’t for everyone and the grip isn’t comfortable for everyone. This HD feels a good bit different than a traditional 2011.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
I see a ton of used Glocks too, just saying.

Because there's 100 times more of them out there.

Most of the Glocks I see for sale are similar to what I said about the Staccato. You see some standard Glocks for sale, but percentage wise I see more duded up Glocks for sale ("Timmied up"). The kind where people took a $600 gun, threw $500 worth of parts at it, or $400 worth of work and coatings to end up with a gun worth less than $600 (and not the $1200 they're asking).

And again, I'm guilty of that myself. Here's a gun everyone claims to love. (maybe I believed the hype) Maybe I'll like it if I add this? Nope. What if I do this? Nope. How about this? No.
So now I have a gun that was over priced to start with, I threw a whole bunch of money at it hoping I'd come to like it and failed. And now I can never sell it unless I'm willing to lose hundreds and hundreds of dollars on it. Or happen to find that one in a million person who'd after EXACTLY what I did to it, and is willing to get it at a slight savings. Unlikely.
Or you get the guys who put $600 worth of stuff on a $600 gun and think it's suddenly worth $2k lol

Internet gun ad rules of thumb: See the words "upgrades" run, "custom", run...

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Originally posted by bac1023:
I see a ton of used Glocks too, just saying.

To date, Glock has produced over 20 million pistols.

Clues are ensconced within that figure. Let's put on our thinking caps, shall we?

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by bac1023:
I see a ton of used Glocks too, just saying.

Because there's 100 times more of them out there.

Absolutely and I see at least 100 used Glocks for every used Staccato. Only a small percentage of shops in my area even sell Staccatos, let alone get them in used.

I wasn’t trying to compare the number of the two, despite the brilliant post above this one

You've got something to say, you say it to me.

Twenty million Glocks in the world. The G19 is probably the number one selling pistol in this country, and here you are, trying to weasel out of your own statement.

You don't want to fuck around. This forum and I- it's a package deal. I'll call out anyone who posts silly shit in this forum, and that includes you.

Getting back on topic, I actually bought an HD today. I’ll report back once I get it to the range. I still need to take some pictures as well, but it’s a very nice pistol.

And another thing, cowboy- if you think ghosting me will work out for you, think again. Such behavior is a more direct path to the door than speaking your mind.

Hilton Yam 2000-round evaluation

https://youtu.be/aC9a8LPg1wI?si=YCJ5LV0N9xPNbHrY

Fantastic. I still think this is a gun that should have come out several months later, and the video did give me another reason to hate standard 2011 mags. Thankfully, I'm broke right now and won't be tempted right now.

I did not hear ol Hilton to say anything about the lack of a grip safety. Did he and I missed it? Seems like one of those cop things, not having to worry about failure to depress that a private user would address by filing to "sensitize."

He did mention irritating hot spots which is a definite liability for a gun to be shot a lot as he assumes anybody enthusiastic enough to lay out the money for one would do. I was just discussing with a friend the need to get a Glock 34 MOS to feel like her 34-3 with the right backstrap and a layer of grip tape.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
I did not hear ol Hilton to say anything about the lack of a grip safety. Did he and I missed it? .

he just says it’s been deleted on this model, then talks about the pistol passing intensive drop safe tests.

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Originally posted by 1KPerDay:

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
I did not hear ol Hilton to say anything about the lack of a grip safety. Did he and I missed it? .

he just says it’s been deleted on this model, then talks about the pistol passing intensive drop safe tests.

Yeah it definitely has the Series 80 safety, but it’s still a very good trigger. The grip safety pinning works great for this gun. I have a lot of 2011’s without it and I prefer that.

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Originally posted by 1KPerDay:
he just says it’s been deleted on this model, then talks about the pistol passing intensive drop safe tests.

He also shows a Staccato 2011 magazine barf all its ammo after a drop test. I cannot stand 2011 mags, which is why I'm hoping this works out or they get into more competition ready versions like OA Defense is doing with their P320 mag version.

Someone asked Hilton in the comments and he posted this:

I am starting a review on the OA 2311 on my Patreon. The HD has no peer in the current state of the market - the design, execution, and functionality of it as a dedicated 1911/2011 pattern service pistol puts it so far ahead of any of the small companies offering vaguely similar seeming products.