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Yep, this is surely a fad that is just the cool guy's trying to cool guy.

https://fnamerica.com/press-re...-as-new-duty-pistol/

Interestingly, they chose a pistol that Safariland doesn't make a MRDS holster for....yet.

It's here to stay in LE.




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Only mark that I've not owned is FN, maybe I should get one, as long as they come in black..



 
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Originally posted by dehughes:
Did some shooting from concealed draws at our range day today at work, and I was able to give my P365 milled for RMRcc setup more of a workout. A few observations:

2) My Vedder IWB holster likes to slip off my Magpul El Buro gun belt, but seems to stay put on my 15yr old leather belt. Weird. Not fun when you draw from concealment and your holster is still on your pistol. But that's why we have training days.


dehughes,

Do you run your Vedder with the claw attachment?


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Only mark that I've not owned is FN, maybe I should get one, as long as they come in black..


We have one at OST. It's recoil impulse is softer than Brand G.

When I bought it, FNH offered like 6 free magazines with it. They never delivered.




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Yep, this is surely a fad that is just the cool guy's trying to cool guy.

https://fnamerica.com/press-re...-as-new-duty-pistol/

Interestingly, they chose a pistol that Safariland doesn't make a MRDS holster for....yet.

It's here to stay in LE.


They do in the 6XXXRDS models. Fit code 2702 for 4" and 2712 for 4.3" and 4.5".
 
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I'll be damned. Learned something new.




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Next time I'll try to remember to make the blind part bold and increase the font size.


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Only mark that I've not owned is FN, maybe I should get one, as long as they come in black..


POC's are so often a target of discrimination.


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Originally posted by dehughes:
Did some shooting from concealed draws at our range day today at work, and I was able to give my P365 milled for RMRcc setup more of a workout. A few observations:

2) My Vedder IWB holster likes to slip off my Magpul El Buro gun belt, but seems to stay put on my 15yr old leather belt. Weird. Not fun when you draw from concealment and your holster is still on your pistol. But that's why we have training days.


dehughes,

Do you run your Vedder with the claw attachment?


Negative. I didn’t order this holster with the claw attachment because at the time it seemed strange to me, but now that I've had a few IWB holsters I see the value of it.

The Magpul belt material and thickness is likely what is causing the Vedder holster to slip off of it. I have other belts I could try, but I have not gotten around to it yet as the Magpul belt has been my default for those non-standard range days.


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To be fair, I have no idea when they added them. The latest will-fit expands 2712 to include the "mid-size tactical" guns with the 4.3" barrel, but the code was already in the catalog for the 4.5" (as was 2702 for the 4"). I can't say I've ever paid that much attention to the FN section.
 
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RDS isnt the future anymore. It is the present. That said, i think the better trained you are, the less it matters. A good bright fiber front with clean rear sights is just as fast at “combat accuracy”. I have a qual with one stage that requires the shooter make 2 rounds to the A box from 25m in 2s> From the holster for full performance, and we had to do it before the dot was a thing, so a clean draw is still king.

I dont see a tangible improvement in my times until the target size starts getting small, and the precision the dot gives is needed. Like, 2” circles type deal. I do run the 777 drill faster and more consistently with a dot also.

I do like them for compromised angle shooting around vehicles and barriers.

Its easier out to/past 200m with a dot for sure.

Theyre a good tool, but arent really necessary for 90%+ of ccw shootings. Imo, if the pistol you like and shoot well offers a dot option you can afford, get it. If not, just get good sights and carry on with life. Theyre great, but plenty of fights have been won without them.
 
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Voted yes.

Been shooting a RDS on my pistols for the last few years. Have several thousand rounds on both RMR's and SRO's. I'm confident in their reliability to have a one on my carry pistol. I did take a little bit of tweaking to my draw stroke/presentation as well letting go of waiting for the dot to settle. The letting go of waiting for the dot to settle was a big deal for faster time. The tweaking of my draw consisted of changing the clocking on my grip slightly and getting rid of almost all of the "punch out". The dot showing me I needed to change my draw a little is not a negative!! Resulted in faster times with irons. I'm a performance tracker, it's my nature as a very competitive person. Very high percentage of shots taken from my pistols are timed. I'm faster and more accurate with the dot at any distance.

My suggestion for what its worth. If considering a dot for your CCW, buy an identical pistol to what you're carrying now. Have the slide milled if not a MOS/optic ready, add a RMR, put in some time and see if it's right for you. If not, sell it.
 
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I realize no one suppresses their defensive pistols, but I just shot the postal (fun) match with a suppressed FNX-45 Tactical and the Trijicon SRO.

The expected ( from memory) wet, odiferous, nasty blow-back to the face experience didn't fail to satisfy my masochistic quota , and I had to stop and clean the SRO lens every 5 to ten shots.

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That was a training opportunity. Pressing on with a dirty lens teaches something about an occluded lens technique and about shooter using RDS correctly or not.
 
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That was a training opportunity. Pressing on with a dirty lens teaches something about an occluded lens technique and about shooter using RDS correctly or not.


Not really, it was a slow fire postal (for fun) match on a square range at fixed distance.

Shooter and targets were stationary, not in motion.

The Bindon Aiming Concept is useful for many but doesn't work for everyone, nor in every situation...

try it with vision in one eye totally occluded or out-of-action.


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