So HK USA still doesn't love us...

March 23, 2017, 01:29 PM

HK does love us, that's why they wont give us a pistol with an inferior mag release. The VP9 was just to late the game. Walther basically made the VP9 before HK got around to it and as it's been mentioned before, it just doesn't have enough going for it to stand out from the best in the crowd.

March 23, 2017, 02:24 PM

Gocad

quote:
Originally posted by highlander81:
We always look at department and military purchases as big influencers on the civilian market. US mil purchases the P320 and we know civilian sales of that model will get a boost.

I believe the reverse is also true. In another thread jljones mentioned his efforts to upgrade his organizations pistols. The gun guys in any organization write the memos and influence purchases and advances in equipment. HK by not responding to market demands ends up being ignored (not personally purchased for example) by those influencers. And those same gun guys are usually delivering training. When you need to qualify large numbers of officers on a pistol things like paddle vs button mag releases matter.

By ignoring the civilian market, HK reduces its ability to get its pistols into organizations as an issue item.

HK does nothing but design guns for governmental/LE contracts, mainly in Europe.

The difference is that such contracts are on state or federal level. (And they tend not to be every two, three years for no reason)

That's why the P2000 and P30 were introduced. Even the VP9 has seen adoption in several German states.

March 23, 2017, 10:00 PM

Prefontaine

quote:
Originally posted by grumpy1:
Yeah, it indicates that in general there is a huge glut of firearms. I saw crazy prices at LGS factory shioot last weekend. Heck they even had a couple pallets of CCI Mini Mags .22 LR.

There are hundreds of thousands of AR's in warhehouses in TX, manufactured, bought, and stored, in preparation for someone else winning POTUS. Someone lost their ass betting wrong. Dems sell firearms like there is no tomorrow. Expect to see great deals on many things for the next few years. The seller's market is now a buyers market. Ebb and flow. After the few years of ammo scarcity and alarming prices I'm happy to see things calm down, and hope they remain that way for as long as possible.

March 25, 2017, 08:41 AM

fallenangelhim

Where are these below costs VP9? I don't plan on buying one or anything. Just uh...research verification.

March 25, 2017, 10:41 AM

Lord Vaalic

The catalog that shall not be named was selling VP9s for $399 at Christmas. Hard to say no to that deal, so I didn't. Nice pistol, but against my G17 I would take the glock, but by a small margin.

March 25, 2017, 06:11 PM

esdunbar

I like everything about HK's except the mag release. It's a deal breaker for me.

Im not interested in the vp9, but if I could get the P30 family and 45 family with button mag release...well buy at least 4 HK's tomorrow.