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My aging eyes are just that...aging. Having said that I am considering a Set of Big Dots for my P365. Does anyone else use these and what are your thoughts on them?
 
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I have never owned a standard set. I have played with them. They are good for close stuff but that's it. I have one of their "small" big dots on one of my J frames. On that it is way better than the stock post and trough although on my J frames they paired it with a U shaped trough where the normal Big Dots are paired with a shallow V rear. I hate them.

My suggestion which will garner lots of opposing opinion on this forum, is learn how to use a red dot and put a Holosun 407/507k on your 365. If you learn to use it, it will solve pretty much all your vision issues. If you can see the target you can hit the target.

In all the angst over red dots on pistols which I think is completely wrong for the most part, what is usually overlooked is the advantage it gives back to older shooters. The physiology of the human eye is pretty solid science. As you age your eye components get less flexible and your ability to focus on the front sight while still maintaining a reasonable view of the target decreases. Happens to everyone, you may suffer less than others but it will still degrade over time. The red dot option removes the requirement to focus on one plane of vision while trying to hit another plane of vision while utilizing a third completely separate plane of vision (rear sight) to sight. With a red dot, you look at the target. If you can see it, you can hit it. And contrary to the "nonsense" that you will hear about it, staring at the "target" without trying to focus on something that is 20 yards closer is as natural as breathing. In fact you had to condition yourself when you first started handgun shooting to focus on the front sight because it is completely unnatural to not focus on the intended object. Name any activity where you throw a ball, shoot a ball, roll a strike, anything where you don't focus on the object in question. You don't walk into the batters box and then focus on the pitcher throughout your at bat. You watch the ball. Sorry to get "sportsy" there, but sports are a close analogy to shooting.

The cheapest 407k can be had for 260 bucks on Amazon or other places. It is a boon to old eyes. Try it. Don't listen to the naysayers. Try it yourself and with an honest effort you very well may become a believer. lol
 
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I have them on my Glock G26 and like them for my aging eyes and quick acquisition.
 
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I have a front big dot on my LCR. And on a Shield EZ. I may go for a set on my G43. IMHO, they work best for very close distance "get off me" guns.


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The cheapest 407k can be had for 260 bucks on Amazon
SIGforum member DaBigBR is a Holosun dealer and has great prices. Check with him before you blow $260 at Amazon.



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I went with TRIJICON HD in orange and love them over the BIG DOTS.


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I find big dots too BIG. They are great for fast acquisition but I never could get any precision out of them (at least at the level I like) while some of that is surely my lack of skill and talent some was definitely the sights.

I like Trijicon HD’s or Ameriglo counterparts. I have found I really like the ameriglo hackithorns blacked out rear bright front.

There is truth in what Pedropcola says regarding an MRDS though. While I am not a put a dot on everything cheerleader and don’t feel they are a game changer for handguns they do undeniably bring benefits and I would bet would work better for your eyes.


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I like them and had them on several guns. After they eventually went dead due to age I put some bright orange Trijcon sites on the front only on my P365 XL and my eyes pick them up quicker. That was after trying to like a Holosun red dot but not liking it.
Not expensive as a bonus, my memory says I found them for around $60 or 70 for the front only one.


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Big dots are marginally better than no sights at all.




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I tried big dots but found them too vague for any precision.

I found the XS F8 sights to be a great aid for older eyes. For me, the recipe is a blacked out rear with a hi-vis front blade with a fair amount of light on each side of the front blade. The F8’s have a tridium dot with a bright orange outline. The rear sight is black with a small tridium dot below the notch. It’s not visible in the daylight, thus not distracting. The sights are tall-ish, which also helps.


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I went with TRIJICON HD in orange and love them over the BIG DOTS.


Same here, only in yellow, not too big.
I can pound a 6” plate all day long at 10 yards.
Good enough for me and my aging eyes.


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My 365 wears a Holosun which works well for my eyes.
My Kimber Micro 9 has the bright yellow DTX2 front sight, but I kept the regular rear sight. With my aging eyes, it works well at regular self defense distances. I can easily shoot torso size targets at 15 yards, head shots are more like 10 yard and closer shots.
If we are shooting groups for money, or I feel,I need longer range precision, that’s when the 365 comes out.
 
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I'm using Trijicon Bright and Toughs on two of my P365s and have the stock Xrays on one. I just spent a week in a hotel with the Xray P365 on the nightstand. In total darkness the Xrays are fine. In any other light conditions the Bright and Toughs are way better. My eyes are getting worse, but the white paint on those sights really grabs my attention.
 
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I have the DXT2 with an orange dot.


I initially got them for another pistol but they weren't suited to that.
They work well on my 365, I can see that pumpkin with or without glasses and I'm not trying to pop a 4" spinner at 50 yards with it.
 
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I have never owned a standard set. I have played with them. They are good for close stuff but that's it. I have one of their "small" big dots on one of my J frames. On that it is way better than the stock post and trough although on my J frames they paired it with a U shaped trough where the normal Big Dots are paired with a shallow V rear. I hate them.

My suggestion which will garner lots of opposing opinion on this forum, is learn how to use a red dot and put a Holosun 407/507k on your 365. If you learn to use it, it will solve pretty much all your vision issues. If you can see the target you can hit the target.

In all the angst over red dots on pistols which I think is completely wrong for the most part, what is usually overlooked is the advantage it gives back to older shooters. The physiology of the human eye is pretty solid science. As you age your eye components get less flexible and your ability to focus on the front sight while still maintaining a reasonable view of the target decreases. Happens to everyone, you may suffer less than others but it will still degrade over time. The red dot option removes the requirement to focus on one plane of vision while trying to hit another plane of vision while utilizing a third completely separate plane of vision (rear sight) to sight. With a red dot, you look at the target. If you can see it, you can hit it. And contrary to the "nonsense" that you will hear about it, staring at the "target" without trying to focus on something that is 20 yards closer is as natural as breathing. In fact you had to condition yourself when you first started handgun shooting to focus on the front sight because it is completely unnatural to not focus on the intended object. Name any activity where you throw a ball, shoot a ball, roll a strike, anything where you don't focus on the object in question. You don't walk into the batters box and then focus on the pitcher throughout your at bat. You watch the ball. Sorry to get "sportsy" there, but sports are a close analogy to shooting.

The cheapest 407k can be had for 260 bucks on Amazon or other places. It is a boon to old eyes. Try it. Don't listen to the naysayers. Try it yourself and with an honest effort you very well may become a believer. lol
 
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My aging eyes are just that...aging. Having said that I am considering a Set of Big Dots for my P365. Does anyone else use these and what are your thoughts on them?


Thank you for your response about my "Big Dot Question". However I forgot to mention (my bad")" is that I usually carry my P365 in a Pocket Holster and having said that in my pocket. I believe a Red Dot would severely handicap carrying in a pocket. I,like probably most here have several carry firearms that I use in rotation and would like to use my P365 in that rotation depending on dress. But again I would like to have a better sight for these aging eyes. I do have other sights on my other 3 EDC arms but no Big Dots.
 
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I have never owned a standard set. I have played with them. They are good for close stuff but that's it. I have one of their "small" big dots on one of my J frames. On that it is way better than the stock post and trough although on my J frames they paired it with a U shaped trough where the normal Big Dots are paired with a shallow V rear. I hate them.

My suggestion which will garner lots of opposing opinion on this forum, is learn how to use a red dot and put a Holosun 407/507k on your 365. If you learn to use it, it will solve pretty much all your vision issues. If you can see the target you can hit the target.

In all the angst over red dots on pistols which I think is completely wrong for the most part, what is usually overlooked is the advantage it gives back to older shooters. The physiology of the human eye is pretty solid science. As you age your eye components get less flexible and your ability to focus on the front sight while still maintaining a reasonable view of the target decreases. Happens to everyone, you may suffer less than others but it will still degrade over time. The red dot option removes the requirement to focus on one plane of vision while trying to hit another plane of vision while utilizing a third completely separate plane of vision (rear sight) to sight. With a red dot, you look at the target. If you can see it, you can hit it. And contrary to the "nonsense" that you will hear about it, staring at the "target" without trying to focus on something that is 20 yards closer is as natural as breathing. In fact you had to condition yourself when you first started handgun shooting to focus on the front sight because it is completely unnatural to not focus on the intended object. Name any activity where you throw a ball, shoot a ball, roll a strike, anything where you don't focus on the object in question. You don't walk into the batters box and then focus on the pitcher throughout your at bat. You watch the ball. Sorry to get "sportsy" there, but sports are a close analogy to shooting.

The cheapest 407k can be had for 260 bucks on Amazon or other places. It is a boon to old eyes. Try it. Don't listen to the naysayers. Try it yourself and with an honest effort you very well may become a believer. lol


Whoops I wanted to post this here not on the post below:
Thank you for your response about my "Big Dot Question". However I forgot to mention (my bad")" is that I usually carry my P365 in a Pocket Holster and having said that in my pocket. I believe a Red Dot would severely handicap carrying in a pocket. I,like probably most here have several carry firearms that I use in rotation and would like to use my P365 in that rotation depending on dress. But again I would like to have a better sight for these aging eyes. I do have other sights on my other 3 EDC arms but no Big Dots.
 
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Thank all who responded to my post. Much appreciated.
 
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Big dots are marginally better than no sights at all.


Thank you for you ropinion. However I find that hard to believe, That is the comment stating: "marginally better than no sights at all." again I thank you for your opinion.
 
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Big dots are marginally better than no sights at all.


Thank you for you ropinion. However I find that hard to believe, That is the comment stating: "marginally better than no sights at all." again I thank you for your opinion.


Welcome to the forum.

Sights perform three basic functions.

They allow you to aim.
They provide feedback on your trigger control/and grip.
They tell you how fast you can shoot (accurately).

Big dot sights are big game sights that someone, somewhere decided it would be a good idea to put on a pistol. The rear sight blade has no lateral limits. Without these limits, it limits the potential for using the sights.

1- Aiming only allows you a course sight picture. With virtually all striker fired pistols, you can use the rear of the slide in the same fashion. Hence, marginally better than no sights at all. As Bruce Gray once said “They are great sights for distances that sights really aren’t needed”.
2- the absence of lateral limits really hinders your ability to track your sights under recoil. Ideally, you want to be able to watch the sight rise and fall out of the rear notch. Even defined “U” notch style sights can be difficult. With a defined rear sight, you can adjust your grip pressure to allow the sight to track more straight up and down. This when coupled with sight tracking exercises allows your performance to be quantified to enhance the quality of performance. Without it, you’re left to guess work. Again, using modified target focus and the rear of the slide gets you there. Again, Big Dots by their design are only marginally better.
3- speed control. I’ve heard it attributed to Jerry Miculek that the sights are your gas pedal. The theory behind that is that the sights riding and falling out of the notch tell you you’re ready to press off the next accurate shot at speed. Without the definition of a defined rear sight you wind up in the same boat as the first two points.

If you made a continuum, it would be using the back of the slide, Big Dots, traditional high vis (like Trijicon HDs), standard sights, and MRDS. You really don’t hit a distinct advantage until you hit HDs. I would put competitive sights like Scott Warrens with a fiber optic front in a dead heat with HDs.

Someone I’m sure will post the old 200 yard (or whatever it was) Big Dot sight video that’s out there at some point. But, I’ll argue that someone with good trigger control can accomplish the same thing utilizing the rear of the slide with a little warm up. It’s a parlor truck.

For a while, ghost ring rear sights were all the rage of “innovation”. They came and went out of favor because they have the same failings as big dots. I have a set of big dots on a Smith J frame, and I’d really just rather have the standard J frame sights.

So, yes, big dots are marginally better than no sights at all.




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