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The 10mm SIG 220ST Project

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March 17, 2008, 09:16 PM
SIG_NZ
The 10mm SIG 220ST Project
Wait till Lunde gets a hold of one, those are the pics I want!


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March 18, 2008, 12:11 AM
mark123
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Right-Wing:
This will be the most awesome thing...ever
You mean after a bear holding a shark, right?
March 18, 2008, 10:58 AM
Flork
quote:
Originally posted by SIG_NZ:
Wait till Lunde gets a hold of one, those are the pics I want!


Lunde got some really nice shots of the prototype at Shot Show, but I'm sure he can do much better in his studio.

Don't worry, he'll get one soon enough.


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March 18, 2008, 07:45 PM
Grayguns
News Flash!!!

I AM HAPPY! LIFE IS GOOD!

Your new, updated and completely good to go BarSto 10mm barrels are here! Irv Stone Jr. has totally outdone himself with these babies. If his standard barrels could be thought of as sexy, these 10mm tubes are positively erotic.

Your 10mm P220's are going to fly outta here now. I'll post pics and updates frequently now that we know exactly what we're doing, so to speak. Big Grin

You are also invited to ring me up with questions as we proceed to completion. As mentioned before we want to try to "upsell" each of you into the gnarly hard black finish (and perhaps sell you a nifty magwell, too...) particularly if you are a higher-volume 10mm shooter. I'll have the technical details for you anytime you call the shop.

I can't thank all of you enough for your patience and understanding while we got everything together for this challenging project. I believe you're about to be rewarded with what a gun that exceeds expectations in many ways.

-Bruce




Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER

Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
March 18, 2008, 08:08 PM
NorfolkP229
Saaaaaaaa-weeeeeeet!!!

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Ooh man, I am all tingly with excitement now!!!


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Jeffrey

P365 - GGI P220ST 10mm - Sig Mosquito - Various Others


"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " - Thomas Jefferson
March 19, 2008, 06:14 PM
WaterburyBob
That announcement perked-up my day!



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March 19, 2008, 09:13 PM
drvink
I have been trying to control my excitement for waaay to long. I'm ready to burst.

Bruce,

What is this "gnarly black finish" that you are dangling in front of us? I love the natural stainless finish as the nicks and scratches are less noticeable. If this finish is something special, I'd like to hear about it!

Thanks
March 19, 2008, 09:35 PM
Craigar45
For a little more 10mm goodness, read about my experience with the GGI 10mm here.

C


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March 21, 2008, 05:12 PM
Grayguns
quote:
Originally posted by drvink:
I have been trying to control my excitement for waaay to long. I'm ready to burst.

Bruce,

What is this "gnarly black finish" that you are dangling in front of us? I love the natural stainless finish as the nicks and scratches are less noticeable. If this finish is something special, I'd like to hear about it!

Thanks


Hi! It's much the same stuff that Glock uses, and is described as a ferritic nitrocarburizing infusion process that introduces carbon into the surface of the steel and yields a surface case .0015 deep at between 50RC and 70RC depending on the substrate.

This stuff is quite tough and durable. I like what it will do for frame rails and other fitted surfaces.

-Bruce




Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER

Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
March 21, 2008, 08:32 PM
drvink
Thanks for the answer Bruce. I thought that you may be referring to IonBond's DLC. There is a bit of information on the web regarding the use of this finish on firearms. Apparently, DLC is incredibly hard and very durable. I found the website below that offers DLC coating. The price is steep but if it truly is "forever", it may be worth it.

http://www.springerprecision.com/
March 22, 2008, 03:49 PM
Grayguns
quote:
Originally posted by drvink:
Thanks for the answer Bruce. I thought that you may be referring to IonBond's DLC. There is a bit of information on the web regarding the use of this finish on firearms. Apparently, DLC is incredibly hard and very durable. I found the website below that offers DLC coating. The price is steep but if it truly is "forever", it may be worth it.

http://www.springerprecision.com/


We have been in contact with Mr. Springer, the Western source for Ion Bond's services. I feel DLC has a place, but it doesn't do the same things that the finish I am suggesting will do for our application. Mr. Springer is a great guy with good stuff, and we lok forward to working with him where DLC is indicated.

-Bruce




Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER

Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
March 22, 2008, 05:02 PM
NorfolkP229
quote:
Originally posted by Grayguns:

As mentioned before we want to try to "upsell" each of you into the gnarly hard black finish (and perhaps sell you a nifty magwell, too...)



Hey Bruce, how much money, and time, to add a beavertail to my P220 Project?


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Jeffrey

P365 - GGI P220ST 10mm - Sig Mosquito - Various Others


"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " - Thomas Jefferson
March 22, 2008, 09:05 PM
220parts
Quite the upsell! Hard to say no to such nice options... They seem to have the sales and marketing down - and the technical (or so I'm told!!) Now where do I sneak the extra $$$ from??


Veni, Vidi, Risi
March 23, 2008, 08:08 AM
drvink
Bruce,

Is it fair to assume that you are suggesting that the 10mm conversion's durability will be enhanced by this finish due to the increase in hardness of the stainless itself? If we opt for the optional finish, what does that do to the delivery date?

I already feel like a little kid at Christmas, waiting for Santa!

Thanks....
March 23, 2008, 10:19 PM
Grayguns
quote:
Originally posted by drvink:
Bruce,

Is it fair to assume that you are suggesting that the 10mm conversion's durability will be enhanced by this finish due to the increase in hardness of the stainless itself? If we opt for the optional finish, what does that do to the delivery date?

I already feel like a little kid at Christmas, waiting for Santa!

Thanks....


Good question. It's not mandatory, but I do have reason to feel this finish will improve durability. We may well factor it into our next run for that reason. We have been told turnaround will be just a couple weeks at most from our highly experienced and well-established vendor, so we will arrange for this work while we do other things to limit further delays. I am very sensitive to the fact that y'all have waited patiently whilst we sorted this out and got everything the way I needed it to be for you. Thank you!

-Bruce




Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER

Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
March 23, 2008, 10:20 PM
Grayguns
quote:
Originally posted by 220parts:
Quite the upsell! Hard to say no to such nice options... They seem to have the sales and marketing down - and the technical (or so I'm told!!) Now where do I sneak the extra $$$ from??


We'll offer terms for the upgrades, seriously. I'm not trying to upsell for it's own sake, but to offer enhancements that I am certain will yield a better result for you. That's why we are offering the magwell and finish options to 10mm clients at our cost.

-Bruce




Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER

Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
March 24, 2008, 12:17 AM
bluedog
That's the cleanest and most natural looking magwell I've seen--very un-appendage like. Has a much cleaner look than a magwell on the 1911.
March 24, 2008, 12:32 PM
Flork
Why thank you.....I did the mag well blend on the prototype.

Scott


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Scott @ Apex
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"Own enough guns that your wife will never notice a gun or 2 being added or taken away from the collection."
Leonard Novak - "Thee Gambler" (SASS)
------------------------------------------------

My guides to Sig Lubrication: http://www.apextactical.com/bl...-sauer-pistol-rails/

http://www.apextactical.com/bl...nternal-lubrication/
March 24, 2008, 02:07 PM
NorfolkP229
Scott, Bruce....how much money and extra time would be required to add the beavertail to my P220?


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Jeffrey

P365 - GGI P220ST 10mm - Sig Mosquito - Various Others


"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " - Thomas Jefferson
March 24, 2008, 03:19 PM
jarcher
quote:
Originally posted by Grayguns:
... and is described as a ferritic nitrocarburizing infusion process that introduces carbon into the surface of the steel and yields a surface case .0015 deep at between 50RC and 70RC depending on the substrate.


When did Bruce stop speaking English? Did I forget to press 1?


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