This weekend I will smith my Smith to unhole the Hill-Hole and purify the soul of a smiter of miscreants.

Lo, I shall prevail!

Behold, BOOOM, the Smiter of Miscreants:

I know it doesn’t bother some people. It bothers the heck out of me and I did the same thing on my 627 Pro. So much better.

I have a few guns that could benefit from that process myself...let us know how it goes!

I will. The parts are tiny. I'm really looking forward to losing the clip that holds it in on my bench.

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unhole the Hill-Hole

Explain please.

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Originally posted by George43:

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unhole the Hill-Hole

Explain please.

He's referring to removing the internal lock and plugging it..aka the "Hillary Hole" named for Hillary Clinton, because it's a stupid liberal invention.

^^^^ Yes, the plug is a replacement for the S&W internal lock that was put in place during the Clinton Administration. It has long been referred to as the "Hillary Hole" to honor that great woman, and leader in gun safety. It's for the children, you know.

In any case, if you look at the picture above, you will note a hole drilled in the frame just above the cylinder release. Inside that hole is a rotating tab, activated by a key put in the hole and turned about a quarter turn. When locked, the action of the gun is completely locked.

The problem is, dirt can get in there, and worse, there are reports of the lock engaging itself under heavy recoil. This is a 4 inch .44 magnum. Recoil is, um, stout.

As this is my woods gun, it wouldn't do to have it lock up at an inopportune time when a black bear, feral hog, wild cow, or mad meth head decides to come through the brush and attempt to mess me up.

I probably would not have bothered for a range-only gun, but this thing must work every time.

What is the method of disabling this?

Remove the locking mechanism?

Leave it there, but do something to freeze it in the unlocked position?

You completely remove the locking mechanism. There is nothing to lock up the gun anymore. The plug just fills the hole back up. You can still kinda see it but it is a huge improvement. Disclaimer: I also remove all magazine safeties. Stupid unnecessary shit needs to go. Lol

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I also remove all magazine safeties. Stupid unnecessary shit needs to go. Lol

Indeed. They also make it difficult to properly function check the gun. Then you get the stupid loaded chamber indicators that spit crud out and foul your optics. All idiotic liberal ideas that cause more problems than they fix.

In other news, I looked at those Original Precision Lock Delete kits...holy crap that's a lot of money for a steel plug and a clip...and I'd need 3 of them! I wonder if I could send the bill to the Clinton foundation...

Most my S&Ws are pre-lock, but I do have a couple of 627s with the internal lock. The only reason I haven't pulled the lock and replaced it with one of these plugs is because of the stupid slot where the flag is next to the trigger. It would bug the hell out of me looking at that little open slot where the flag used to be.

One of these guys should really offer a plug that has a flat piece that extends to fill up the flag area.

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Originally posted by clang:
Most my S&Ws are pre-lock, but I do have a couple of 627s with the internal lock. The only reason I haven't pulled the lock and replaced it with one of these plugs is because of the stupid slot where the flag is next to the trigger. It would bug the hell out of me looking at that little open slot where the flag used to be.

One of these guys should really offer a plug that has a flat piece that extends to fill up the flag area.

I agree...that's the thing that has kept me from doing the same. For the money they're asking for the plugs, you'd think they could throw in the flag slot filler, too.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by clang:
Most my S&Ws are pre-lock, but I do have a couple of 627s with the internal lock. The only reason I haven't pulled the lock and replaced it with one of these plugs is because of the stupid slot where the flag is next to the trigger. It would bug the hell out of me looking at that little open slot where the flag used to be.

One of these guys should really offer a plug that has a flat piece that extends to fill up the flag area.

I agree...that's the thing that has kept me from doing the same. For the money they're asking for the plugs, you'd think they could throw in the flag slot filler, too.

Same here!
I have a mildly customized 67-5 (my only post-lock S&W) that shoots like a laser, and considered the lock-delete but that empty flag slot would bug the crap out of me!
And yeah, $52.30 after shipping for something that small is just a bit excessive to me.

Just thought I'd add a pic. Here is my Performance Center 627 with internal lock along with my Registered Magnum. An old and new kind of thing:



I'd be happy to remove the lock on the 627 if I could get the empty flag slot filled too.

The only Smith I had with the lock is a 617. It shot great but the lock bugged me so I put in the plug. Much better now.

If I remember correctly, you can grind the nub off the lock and maybe remove some other parts of the locking mechanism so that it can never lock up again or inadvertently lock under recoil, and the gun still looks stock in appearance.

I THINK I did that to my 340SC like 10 years ago but its been so damn long I cant recall all the details.