Originally posted by evolution: Seems like it shouldn’t be months from introduction to production.
Yeah, exactly 3 months since the hype. Doesn't look so promising.
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June 02, 2019, 10:13 PM
RHINOWSO
Looks like they are testing pre-production prototypes, per their YT video on 25 May.
June 02, 2019, 11:55 PM
kkina
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Originally posted by XLT: watching the latest video if I counted correctly it's 15+1 . I just got on the pre order list to be notified.
Counting through frame advance he only fired 15 rounds, though obviously he could load 15+1 if he wanted to. It also could not have been 14+1 since in the second video he had to have closed the slide on an empty chamber, otherwise it would have caused a double-feed.
Was it me, or did it look like he had to use a little force to get both empty mags out?
June 03, 2019, 10:22 AM
BBMW
I wouldn't take anything out of these videos other than they've figured out how to get 15 rounds out of them.
I'd just wait until they hit the market and see what the initial independent reviews look like. This is yet another product that I wouldn't want to be the first one on my block to buy. Then again, depending on how much it costs, it might be an acceptable loss to buy one, even if it doesn't pan out.
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Originally posted by rockchalk06: Was it me, or did it look like he had to use a little force to get both empty mags out?
June 03, 2019, 03:11 PM
XLT
The worst thing they could do is rush it to market, like the 365, people still won't buy them. it has to be 100 percent before market.
if they pull it off it's going to be a huge money maker for them. I really like my franken 43x .
June 03, 2019, 04:06 PM
RHINOWSO
People who think that they can bring this product from idea to production in 3 months are smoking crack.
Lots of prototyping, production tests, QC, etc go into making a successful product.
June 03, 2019, 07:42 PM
kkina
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Originally posted by rockchalk06: Was it me, or did it look like he had to use a little force to get both empty mags out?
Good eye. Maybe. But I've seen phoshated mags fall that slowly.
Really? SIG has sold every P365 they could produce, and likely could have sold more. Yeas, some people won't buy them because of the initial teething problems. But those people didn't slow down sales.
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Originally posted by XLT: The worst thing they could do is rush it to market, like the 365, people still won't buy them. it has to be 100 percent before market.
if they pull it off it's going to be a huge money maker for them. I really like my franken 43x .
June 04, 2019, 06:32 AM
Kevbo
There are plenty of people turned off by aig’s QC issues. The 320 and 365 issues hurt. Only time will tell how much.
When I checked my Facebook feed this morning, 3 separate people I’m friends with had a fake advertisement that sig was now accepting pre-returns on the 365XL. One is a professional shooter and instructor. The other, until recently, owned a gun store for 21 years, one of the most successful in the state. FWIW, he has carried a p220 every day I’ve known him for 17 of those 21 years, and was a Sig master dealer. My point is, people trust what these guys think, and if the p320/365 issues have damaged sig’s reputation with them, it will spread. It doesn’t help that Glock has rolled out the gen 5s and the 43X/48 with few, if any, teething problems.
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Originally posted by BBMW: Really? SIG has sold every P365 they could produce, and likely could have sold more. Yeas, some people won't buy them because of the initial teething problems. But those people didn't slow down sales.
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Originally posted by XLT: The worst thing they could do is rush it to market, like the 365, people still won't buy them. it has to be 100 percent before market.
if they pull it off it's going to be a huge money maker for them. I really like my franken 43x .
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June 04, 2019, 11:13 AM
BBMW
And yet, as I said before, through the teething problems and out the back of them, SIG has, AFAIK, been able to see every P365 they could build.
In point of fact, SIG has had QC issue previous to this, with the NH built aluminum framed P-series, the whole P250 abortion, the P320 drop safety fiasco, and the initial problems with the P365. And their still a top tier gun maker (as defined by the level of their sales, and, especially to LE and military.) Maybe they know something we don't, or don't want to accept.
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Originally posted by Kevbo: There are plenty of people turned off by aig’s QC issues. The 320 and 365 issues hurt. Only time will tell how much.
When I checked my Facebook feed this morning, 3 separate people I’m friends with had a fake advertisement that sig was now accepting pre-returns on the 365XL. One is a professional shooter and instructor. The other, until recently, owned a gun store for 21 years, one of the most successful in the state. FWIW, he has carried a p220 every day I’ve known him for 17 of those 21 years, and was a Sig master dealer. My point is, people trust what these guys think, and if the p320/365 issues have damaged sig’s reputation with them, it will spread. It doesn’t help that Glock has rolled out the gen 5s and the 43X/48 with few, if any, teething problems.
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Originally posted by BBMW: Really? SIG has sold every P365 they could produce, and likely could have sold more. Yeas, some people won't buy them because of the initial teething problems. But those people didn't slow down sales.
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Originally posted by XLT: The worst thing they could do is rush it to market, like the 365, people still won't buy them. it has to be 100 percent before market.
if they pull it off it's going to be a huge money maker for them. I really like my franken 43x .
"It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for them"
June 04, 2019, 01:18 PM
cslinger
To be fair, and I do think Glock has better overall QC, but didn’t early GEN5’s spontaneously disassemble a time or three early in the LEO testing?
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
June 04, 2019, 06:10 PM
billpocz
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Originally posted by Kevbo: ....It doesn’t help that Glock has rolled out the gen 5s and the 43X/48 with few, if any, teething problems....
Wow, I can’t help but wade into this discussion!
Glock Gen 5 is different, but not innovative, while both the 320 and 365 have true unique designs to both firearms. What truly unique items throughout history have not had a few start up problems. I hardly believe that these will be causing the demise of Sig anytime soon...
I hope this mag works out! It would be an innovative design that Glock SHOULD have already done!!
Bill
* --- Sig 365, 365XL, 245, P6 *
June 04, 2019, 06:46 PM
DaBigBR
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Originally posted by cslinger: To be fair, and I do think Glock has better overall QC, but didn’t early GEN5’s spontaneously disassemble a time or three early in the LEO testing?
There were some sort of issues with the Indianapolis Metro PD 17M guns. I'm not trying to be a Glock apologist, but those guns predated commercial Gen 5 production.
June 06, 2019, 09:31 PM
cas
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Originally posted by evolution: Seems like it shouldn’t be months from introduction to production.
No? Tell that to Pro Mag. They've been making mags for decades and still haven't figured it out.
Magazines aren't as simple as they seem.
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June 06, 2019, 09:41 PM
cslinger
ProMag makes a fantastic product!! What....they are not a malfunction training device you say??? The hell you say.
Well I for one think they are a great immediate action trainer.
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
June 06, 2019, 10:13 PM
jljones
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Originally posted by cas:
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Originally posted by evolution: Seems like it shouldn’t be months from introduction to production.
No? Tell that to Pro Mag. They've been making mags for decades and still haven't figured it out.
Magazines aren't as simple as they seem.
+1.
They are the whole reason I am so highly skeptical about someone else trying a metal mag in a Glock.
