Hopefully, the one that is avoided by a manufacturer doing the right thing to avoid injuries or loss of life.

I was inferring that I'd send it in if an official recall is issued in case you didn't catch what I was saying.

Well, now...

I had not been following this thread at all until I received a post alert this evening from rammtactical, in which he questions the motivations of concealledcarry, who seems to have stirred up things with his mention of a class-action lawsuit.

It does not seem to me, however, that any legal action is being threatened; only the possibility that such might arise at some point, initiated by whomever.

As to the motivations of concealledcarry- my impression is that he is what he claims to be and his desire to assist the OP is sincere. Reading his comments, he sounds like many engineers I have known- enthusiastically analytical, and a dry sense of humor.

I do understand rammtactical's displeasure with the course of this thread but I perceive no malice within it. Naturally, a manufacture of firearms components does not want it stated publicly that a part of their making has caused a firearm to go full auto. The question is, did this actually happen, because if it did, it's vital that potential buyers be made aware of it.

I have no desire to interfere with another man's livelihood and I have sympathy for rammtactical, that a public discussion of such things may very well affect sales. I'll need to consider this further, but I have to tell you, rammtactical, that I do not respond well to demands that content be removed from my forum. Furthermore, I do not appreciate you demanding that I remove your membership from this forum. You came here to discuss this matter, did not like the course taken by the conversation, and now I have you making demands of me, when not two hours before I posted this, I was unaware of your existence. This is just about the last gun forum in which you want to take such an approach.

If you have anything further you wish to say on the matter, please feel free. A reasonable tone goes far with me.

Parabellum,

Sorry that you had to get involved. As you concluded I did not intend to threaten and my sense of humor is dry. I am only concerned with safety and I do think the public has a right to know. I can attest that the issues described and that have been acknowledged are real. The potential that others are affected has not been resolved. Thanks for your time!

Seems I have gotten off on the wrong foot. Our trigger designs take safety into consideration first and utmost. This Sig design is a very nice trigger, but to have it slammed as a full auto and title unsafe design was a very damning review. I have had more courtesy from most and people contacting me goes a long way. But conceal carry went straight for the throat. I had already made changes to fix the safety issue. When offering to show him the changes, it was brought up that he would save it for a class action lawsuit. I work to hard to have one person pose to threaten my business. I have no doubt that this design will be a home run. But my asking to be removed was not a demand. I simply did not want to engage in this type of forum. I thought I could have a chance to show good will and the changes were made.

I want to apologize to you and meant absolutely no disrespect to you and/or this forum. I join in forums, mostly Glocks because that is what I've been making for 2 years now. I want to respect this forum and do not want to stain it with the awful way I have conducted myself in this unfortunate display of emotion. It is emotional to me, but the words i've chosen and the tone is not who I am. I also admit that the Sig P365 has been something I've been working on for some time and the "concealcarry" has the right to give his honest assessments and reviews. At this point you may find it hard to forgive and it would be understandable if you removed me from your membership. But I ask that you don't. This is serious business making aftermarket components for firearms that can be deadly. It is in this light that I want to have a second chance to appeal to you and you are 100% right in your comments. Please allow me to remain on this forum. I will drop the diatribe on this issue and will not add another word to this thread. Frankly, I am ashamed of my behavior and would like to crawl out from under the rock you described and reintroduce myself. My name is Karl Ramm. FFL, inventor, gunsmith and engineer of some of the most popular firearms currently on the market. I design and manufacture aftermarket triggers, some in patent pending stages.
I am sorry for this whole incident and would be very grateful if you were to leave me on this forum. When it comes to guns, I will never know it all, and when it comes to common courtesy and respect, I obviously have allot to learn. Please accept my most sincere apologies.

Apology accepted

You have not been and are not in any danger of being banned. We don't ban people at the drop of a hat, though I have cultivated such an image over the years, as I find it at times to be to my advantage.

I had a response to you up for about 45 minutes until I realized I almost certainly misinterpreted one of your remarks. Based upon your most recent post, you saw that response.

Everything is fine, you're welcome to stay, and I submit to you that it is to your advantage to do so, with this thread being a prime example.

Also, I suggest to concealledcarry that he send his trigger to you, as this could go a long way in determining just what is going on.

Thank you, much appreciated.

What about it, concealledcarry? Are you willing to let the man examine the trigger?

I will return the trigger if a recall is issued. For now, I am away on assignment and wouldn't have access anyway.

Karl doesn't need my trigger. It is the same as other triggers that have been returned to him already and those were also installed in my gun(s) as well as other guns which exhibited consistent behaviors. I have consulted with not a small number of gunsmiths and engineers as well as gathered statistics from an FFL that installs aftermarket P365 triggers. I wouldn't have put out such a harsh review if I weren't certain of the severity of the issues as well as Karl's likelihood to believe the results without having the gun in hand. What he really needs are the 2 guns I found that had drop-fire or fire on reset issues from a small sample size of 7. These would have only been dead triggers i.e. reliability issues had the striker safety not been bypassed with too much pre-travel reduction. So the most important fix, from a safety standpoint, would be what Karl has already identified as changes made going forward with increasing the pre-travel.

Given that triggers already sold likely have many with bypassed striker safeties and the potential that the set screws could be walking after initial install, He really needs to do a minimum recall of triggers he has already sold and also make sure there is red loctite on the sear set screw. There was no loctite visible nor did it require a flame/torch to break the bond to adjust on the two triggers I have personally handled.

Hopefully, this gives insight as to why I have got on the forum and frankly have been trying to direct others here so that someone won't get seriously injured.

The AXG Legion FCU is slightly different than the rest of the Sig P365 lineup. I have a seperate part number for those who are ordering the AXG Legion version. We are having success with the P365 triggers with very few incidents. However, the AXG trigger is not on an official recall because no one has been complaining. At least not to us. If anyone has a Legion or any other version of our P365 triggers, we stand behind them. If any issues, I suggest that you email us. That is where everything is recorded and saved so we do not miss anyone. If anyone has a call or email into us that we have not responded to, please email me at info@thetriggerguyusa.com and I will respond within 24 hours. To the point of Concealledcarry and their posts, we take safety very seriously. Always have. We do not want our products in anyone's hands that has a safety issue so we respond to any issue as soon as we can. We cannot help anyone who is reluctant to send us the trigger or even contact our company in a normal one on one fashion.

Mr Ramm. I purchased your RAMM TACTICAL SIG SAUER® “LEVERAGE” TRIGGER (P365 MODEL and variants) off Optics Planet and successfully installed it in my XMacro comp without any drama. I’ve read this entire thread and decided to give your product a try. It seems to me you will stand by your product if I encounter any problems. Safeties seem to be functioning properly. So far I’m very happy with the trigger after dry fire and will report back after I get to the range.

As a point of curiosity, can your kit can be used in conjunction with an mcarbo titanium striker? That striker kit is pricey and your kit has already cleaned up the trigger pull significantly, but I can’t help but wonder what the paring would feel like. I’m just wondering if you’ve tested it or anyone else in the community has tested the combination of parts.

Thanks.