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Originally posted by bubbatime:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
Not to be contrary, but I never use the lever. I always just pull the trigger on my M&P's to disassemble.

Perhaps I have a different version, but pulling the trigger does not work with mine. The lever must be moved down.

Do you have a magazine safety? The kind that wont fire without a magazine in the gun? In which case, if you inserted an empty magazine into the gun, and pulled the trigger, then ejected the magazine, your slide should come right off Glock style.

This is true, and why I changed out the sear housing, which eliminated the "lock" and the magazine safety. It was also a required change to install the Apex DCAEK. Slight difference for me, you pull the trigger AS you're removing the slide...

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Originally posted by JBird679:
Diamondback DB380, Taurus PT111 G2, Walther PPQ M2, Canik TP9... all require trigger pull

Regarding Canik TP9s, there are a couple models that have a decocker button that allow you to field strip w/o pulling the trigger.

CZ P10C also requires pulling the trigger.

I am curious to which version of the M&P that he has as well. I've never seen one that won't allow you to pull the trigger to remove the slide. All of mine do it, and it is standard practice on tear down.

It's required with all KAHR pistols.

Well, I finally figured out the secret handshake and was able to release the slide on my M&P (purchased about 5 1/2 years ago) by pulling the trigger rather than using the release lever after going through the proper preliminary steps.

Strictly speaking, though, my M&P does not meet the conditions of my original question, which was what guns require pulling the trigger to release the slide for field stripping. I don’t know why one would not use the lever as the factory manual indicates, but it’s good, I suppose, to know that there’s another method.

Accommodating those who have developed the habit from using Glocks, maybe? FWIW, I was surprised to see how many pistols still require it.

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I am curious to which version of the M&P that he has as well. I've never seen one that won't allow you to pull the trigger to remove the slide. All of mine do it, and it is standard practice on tear down.

While pulling the trigger may work, that’s not how the M&P is designed. The official way, as described in the manual, is to use a tool to push down the sear release lever, which looks like a dogleg spring arm at the upper rear of the magwell. That prevents the striker from cocking when the slide is slid forward off the frame.

I cannot remove the slide of my BG dated VP9 without pulling the trigger, even after pushing down on the rear of the slide. However, the BI dated VP9sk that I picked up today can be broken down without a trigger pull.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

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Originally posted by jljones:
I am curious to which version of the M&P that he has as well. I've never seen one that won't allow you to pull the trigger to remove the slide. All of mine do it, and it is standard practice on tear down.

While pulling the trigger may work, that’s not how the M&P is designed. The official way, as described in the manual, is to use a tool to push down the sear release lever, which looks like a dogleg spring arm at the upper rear of the magwell. That prevents the striker from cocking when the slide is slid forward off the frame.

I know of no one who disassembles the pistol "the official way, as described by the manual".

And no one really seems to care......

I pull the trigger on every handgun before disassembly. Is that bad?

Only if you haven't made sure that the magwell and chamber are empty first.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
Not to be contrary, but I never use the lever. I always just pull the trigger on my M&P's to disassemble.

Perhaps I have a different version, but pulling the trigger does not work with mine. The lever must be moved down.

Yours has a magazine safety. M&Ps without a magazine safety can be disassembled by locking open, rotating the lever, dropping the slide to the right spot and pulling the trigger.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

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Originally posted by jljones:
I am curious to which version of the M&P that he has as well. I've never seen one that won't allow you to pull the trigger to remove the slide. All of mine do it, and it is standard practice on tear down.

While pulling the trigger may work, that’s not how the M&P is designed. The official way, as described in the manual, is to use a tool to push down the sear release lever, which looks like a dogleg spring arm at the upper rear of the magwell. That prevents the striker from cocking when the slide is slid forward off the frame.

I know of no one who disassembles the pistol "the official way, as described by the manual".

And no one really seems to care......

Your choice, but that doesn’t mean it’s “standard practice”.

Yours has a magazine safety. M&Ps without a magazine safety can be disassembled by locking open, rotating the lever, dropping the slide to the right spot and pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]

Mine doesn’t have a magazine safety and as I mentioned above I did finally get it to work that way after dinking with the gun. It’s not as straightforward as with a Glock, though, and other than to say I can manage it, I cannot imagine why it would be something I’d do when it’s not necessary.

This is yet another amusing example of how we can be lectured about the “four” firearms safety rules, including “Don’t touch the trigger until you’re ready to shoot something,” and yet then be told, “Well, of course it’s necessary to pull the trigger of your gun when disassembling it; what else would we do? That’s perfectly normal and acceptable.”

In any event I don’t care how strangers handle their guns if I’m not around them or what a gun’s design requires for disassembly. I asked the question because of a statement in the SIG P320 armorer manual and it piqued my curiosity because we usually only hear about how the Glock requires pulling the trigger. So thanks for all the replies.

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Originally posted by car541:
Yours has a magazine safety. M&Ps without a magazine safety can be disassembled by locking open, rotating the lever, dropping the slide to the right spot and pulling the trigger.

Mine doesn’t have a magazine safety and as I mentioned above I did finally get it to work that way after dinking with the gun. It’s not as straightforward as with a Glock, though, and other than to say I can manage it, I cannot imagine why it would be something I’d do when it’s not necessary.

This is yet another amusing example of how we can be lectured about the “four” firearms safety rules, including “Don’t touch the trigger until you’re ready to shoot something,” and yet then be told, “Well, of course it’s necessary to pull the trigger of your gun when disassembling it; what else would we do? That’s perfectly normal and acceptable.”

In any event I don’t care how strangers handle their guns if I’m not around them or what a gun’s design requires for disassembly. I asked the question because of a statement in the SIG P320 armorer manual and it piqued my curiosity because we usually only hear about how the Glock requires pulling the trigger. So thanks for all the replies.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by car541:
Yours has a magazine safety. M&Ps without a magazine safety can be disassembled by locking open, rotating the lever, dropping the slide to the right spot and pulling the trigger.

Mine doesn’t have a magazine safety and as I mentioned above I did finally get it to work that way after dinking with the gun. It’s not as straightforward as with a Glock, though, and other than to say I can manage it, I cannot imagine why it would be something I’d do when it’s not necessary.

This is yet another amusing example of how we can be lectured about the “four” firearms safety rules, including “Don’t touch the trigger until you’re ready to shoot something,” and yet then be told, “Well, of course it’s necessary to pull the trigger of your gun when disassembling it; what else would we do? That’s perfectly normal and acceptable.”

In any event I don’t care how strangers handle their guns if I’m not around them or what a gun’s design requires for disassembly. I asked the question because of a statement in the SIG P320 armorer manual and it piqued my curiosity because we usually only hear about how the Glock requires pulling the trigger. So thanks for all the replies.

I'm guessing you don't dry fire in your training regime by your statements.

Dry-firing requires pulling the trigger.
Disassembly of some guns requires pulling the trigger.
Disassembly of other guns does not require pulling the trigger.
Function testing most guns requires pulling the trigger.
I adapt my actions to the situation and my equipment.

I also make a determined effort to understand what I read, and not assume things that are not stated.

In addition, in all my thinking I make an even a greater effort to avoid logical fallacies such as feeble straw men whose only purpose is to distort others’ comments into less formidable arguments that are easier to demolish than the originals.

Common sense goes a long way in being a gun owner. I guess I don't need gun companies assuming I'm an idiot, posting warnings on the slides, ads telling me their gun is better because you don't have to pull the trigger to remove the slide. What ever happened to common sense?? Would you buy a car with a sign painted on the door, "Don't drink before driving"? "Read owners manual"? Gun companies suck!!!