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I've had my HK P2000sk V3 for more than a decade. It is my favorite 9mm everyday carry pistol.
I recently acquired a HK45 from a SIG Forum member.
Online, I noticed that eurooptic had some P2000 models in FDE tan, and OD green for the polymer frame color.
Of course, black is an option also.
I ordered a OD green P2000 9mm V3 with night sights and three magazines earlier today.
While there, I ordered three additional magazines.
I will post photos when it arrives!
Link: https://www.eurooptic.com/HK-P...Sights-81000064.aspx



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I hope you love the P2000 as much as I love mine. Smile.

Keep in mind you are still dealing with HK triggers. They are great guns but still no SIG or Beretta in the trigger department.


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Posts: 7981 | Location: On the water | Registered: July 25, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I love my HK's. My P2000 and P2000SK are both LEM which allows me to avoid the HK trigger which is meh. I kind of like that OD Green frame. Nice pickup.
 
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My only HK experiences were a USP45C & a rental HK45 with a suppressor.

I remember liking the USP but didn't shoot it as well as the guy's P220ST

Wouldn't mind trying a P2000 or P30




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I went from nearly 1 dozen HK pistols to having 3 left. A P2000, P2000SK and, a USP9SD Tactical all in 9mm. The P2000 and the P2000SK have been worked over by Bruce Grey’s team and are most likely never going anywhere. The P2000 being one of a few pistols that just feel like an extension of my hand. I like the OD frame, nice pick up from one of the most underrated guns in the HK lineup.


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Posts: 3046 | Location: Middle-TN | Registered: November 05, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The P2000 is perhaps my favorite HK. G19 sized, newer mags are 15, and it is melted nicely from the factory. I swap sights, add the HK45C mag release and can call it a day. Of course I didn't though, I added GG parts and flat trigger. What a great carry gun.
 
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I have fired the VP9 and the P30 at a rental range. If I recall correctly, both the VP9 and the P30 have user replaceable backstraps and grip side panels.
When in my hands, I felt the grip did not feel "solid" in the hand, almost as if the replaceable grip parts were moving around a tiny amount.
Both of the above are more ergonomic in the hand compared to the P2000, which only has replaceable backstraps. The solid "feel" is important for me.

My P2000sk has been absolutely trouble free. I had one stovepipe using 115 grain range ammo the first time I fired it. Other than that, it has been a solid pistol.
One thing I have noticed about the HK P2000sk, it won't even chamber my cast lead 9mm reload which runs perfectly in every other 9mm gun I have tried that load in.
I may have to start stocking some plated projectiles for substitution of my normal cast lead reload choice, just for the HK's seemingly tighter chamber dimensions.

HK triggers... I formerly owned/used early Ruger polymer pistols. P95 in 9mm and P97 in .45ACP, so the transition over to HK triggers is barely noticeable.



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Yeah the P2000 is a great hammer fired G19 analog. In practical use its a tiny bit smaller, much nicer to carry, at least for me due to how its melted, Feels and points much more naturally for me and I prefer the manual of arms and mag release. Add that you can get a .40 or .357 SIG version and you have a G23 analog as well.

Like ANY GUN or CAR or...... whatever it will come down to your personal taste and feel etc. but the P2000 is a very nice hammer fired G19(esque) option.

Also like Pedropcola said you have options should you want to change things like the trigger up or you can simply be a masochist like me.....

"Nein, pistole 2000 is fine!!!" Razz


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My P2000sk has been absolutely trouble free. I had one stovepipe using 115 grain range ammo the first time I fired it.


All HKs, well really any gun made for military or PD service, especially in 9mm you should do the following out of the box.

-Clean and lube well
-Work the slide, do some dry fire, maybe lock the slide back for a night or two
-Run a box or three of heavy or hot for caliber ammo (147 grain, +P, defensive ammo, NATO spec whatever).

I find if you just make this a habit you will likely have little to no issues with any pistol or brand and you will get some defensive ammo testing in early on.

I know, I know HK....blessed on the backs of naked virgins by a German speaking Tibetan monk......but lets be honest some of those virgins LIED!! Big Grin

Take care, shoot safe,
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The P30 does have replaceable side panels and back straps. If they were moving around I would chalk that up to it being a rental gun. They shouldn't be moving, they don't on my P30. If your personal gun had some slop I would either buy a fresh set of panels to see if that stopped it or I would MacGyver a solution. Sloppy gun though is almost 100% the result of being a rental.

The panels allow for quite a bit of self forming on your part. I tend to go medium medium medium so it is kind of lost on me but I can see the small and large hand people loving it.

The P30 grip itself is shockingly good considering it has finger grooves (pretty shallow) which I normally dislike.
 
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Yes, the P30 is really nice, even though, as Pedropcola mentioned, the finger grooves are something I also don't like. Mine is a P30S with manual safety and Grayguns straight trigger. Really nice pistol overall.

Another HK that doesn't get a lot of attention these days unfortunately is the USP Compact. I have one which also has the Grayguns straight trigger. Not sure what Variant it is but it has the left side only control lever that doubles as a manual 1911 safety as well as a de-cocker all wrapped up in one lever. A nice setup. It's the same size as the P2000, one HK I've never had the opportunity to handle but would love to.
 
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That is a good price on the OD color gun. I never before noticed it wears a decocker like the P30. Now I like the gun better. Am I seeing a ambi mag release at the rear if trigger guard?
 
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Yes, they all have the paddle mag release which is ambi.
 
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If your personal gun had some slop I would either buy a fresh set of panels to see if that stopped it or I would MacGyver a solution.


I had a similar problem with the P226 project I've been working on recently. I'm not sure if it's the Matrix frame or the grip panels I got off eBay....they're nice, but I'm not 100% they're actual factory panels, as all of the factory panels I've seen have a date code stamped inside, and these don't. Regardless, when I shoot I crank my grip pressure down pretty hard, and I noticed a tiny amount of flex in the panels along the backstrap. A little bit of JB Weld inside the grips in a strategic spot and about 15-20 minutes fitting it with a file so that it bottoms out against the edge of the frame, and they're now rock solid. Added bonus that it's all inside the grips, so you can't see it at all. I've never had the grips on a P30 apart, but I imagine a similar technique could be employed to bed them and eliminate any slop. You could probably use acraglass and a release agent and bed them like a rifle stock as well, but for a job this small I didn't think it was worth the effort.
 
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I’m a big fan of Sig and own many. However, I like the HKs better. I only own a few but will definitely buy at least one more in the near future. They are simply smooth shooting guns. Of course, Sig is as well.
 
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While not practical at all, the MK23 is just worth having, holding, shooting and all that. It's overgrown, overbuilt, overdone...and would likely last longer than anything else out there with zero maintenance, cleaning or care.


I miss my Expert 45 that I actually took a deer with. I've had a few USP's and they were superb. I should've kept my early one from the first year guns, just because. My compact45 serves me well but, I'm not attached like some others.
 
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Originally posted by cslinger:
I hope you love the P2000 as much as I love mine. Smile.

Keep in mind you are still dealing with HK triggers. They are great guns but still no SIG or Beretta in the trigger department.


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Very true. But, if you add these to your P2000, they come close, very close with a much better grip.

P30 magazine release;
Gray Guns SRT;
Gray Guns flat trigger;
Lazy Wolf 11lb hammer spring or 10lb in the alternative but you may have light primer strikes on hard primers;
Light trigger return spring;
Sear spring (nickle plated); and
X-grip adapters for 15 or 17 round VP9 magazines.


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Originally posted by inspcalahan:
While not practical at all, the MK23 is just worth having, holding, shooting and all that. It's overgrown, overbuilt, overdone...and would likely last longer than anything else out there with zero maintenance, cleaning or care.


^^^^^
I got to handle one a few days ago. I was surprised how hard it was to operate the decock lever. That being said, I'd love to own one.

The USP 45 Tactical is imminently more practical and if you could not afford a Mk23, I wouldn't feel let down with the USP.


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^^^Yes, the Decocking Lever on the MK23 absolutely SUCKS! It was designed to be operated with gloved hands, and apparently with the opposing hand/thumb. I always drooled over the MK23, and I ALWAYS wanted one, and though I haven't shot a MK23, every single time I've been able to handle one, I've been unable to control the Decocking Lever. After the third or fourth time and concluded I don't want one...Blasphemy, I know! That Decocking Lever made me realize I like my USP(s) much better!

I'm also not averse to removing the Decocking Lever entirely. I give you my homespun variant, the USP Combat Competition w/ Match-LEM Hybrid Trigger! Cool



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I love HK's but the Mk23 has never been interesting to me in the slightest. Nothing about it. I don't go gaga over military porn and I think that is the biggest thing it has going for it.

I love that 9mm Combat Competition. Does it have the overtravel screw I can't see it in the picture. I have a 40 CC but I would rather have the 9. Mine also has different factory sights. Novak style rear and fiber optic front.
 
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