I'm sorry I didn't have a DAK trigger bar or I'd have included that as well. I'd highly recommend sourcing one and setting the gun up appropriately...DA/SA without a decocker is just setting yourself up for a simple mistake with horrible consequences.

92fstech - Thank you very much for your help and patience! Been hanging around SF for 20+ years so I guess I should have known that putting something up that exhibits even the slightest controversy would bring out the naysayers, ‘experts’, and armchair commandoes - each just looking for a chance to prove he is SOOOO much smarter and more savvy than me. It has not yet had a live round in the chamber so I sincerely ask that the constant reminders about “danger close“ please be minimized - I am not a child. This guy has safely gone into storage since I now need money for my next project, renewing-ish a slightly rough P239/.357.

GeoJelly. You're taking something personal here and getting offended. Be offended if you want. Nothing happens. You get over it.

Having said that, I think it would be remiss if someone didn't mention the problems inherent w/ your build. You posted it on the internet where any idiot can see it. There needs to be an * by this stuff so someone less Expert than you can understand the risks.
Safety is nothing to get offended by.

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Originally posted by dsiets:
GeoJelly. You're taking something personal here and getting offended. Be offended if you want. Nothing happens. You get over it.

Having said that, I think it would be remiss if someone didn't mention the problems inherent w/ your build. You posted it on the internet where any idiot can see it. There needs to be an * by this stuff so someone less Expert than you can understand the risks.
Safety is nothing to get offended by.

Nicely said, I think.

Not sure I would personally attack someone else on the webs for any reason- but I WOULD hope that a "disclaimer" or "correction" would occur, should I ever post something unsafe. And if 12131 is merely a naysayer, armchair commando or "expert"(complete with derogatory quotes,) then sign me up to be one of those- or all 3.

OP, GeoJ: pretty gun; function, etc. aside.

This might sound like a dumb question but why are companies making replacement frames for the SIG P229? I can fully understand that metal frames for pistols (like the polymer-framed SIG P365) have become available for individuals wanting the metal option. Help me understand this please.

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Maybe because they don’t want a silly rail.

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Originally posted by kaschi:
This might sound like a dumb question but why are companies making replacement frames for the SIG P229? I can fully understand that metal frames for pistols (like the polymer-framed SIG P365) have become available for individuals wanting the metal option. Help me understand this please.

The aluminum alloy frame is the weak spot of the Classic Sig P-series design. It's not a flaw per se, but a weak spot. You've got steel riding against aluminum. In addition to the frame rails, you the daily bangs and scraps against the anodizing. Look at some pictures on GunBroker of L.E. trade-in pistols and see how bad the frames look compared to the slide.

Other than the aluminum alloy frame, the rest of the pistol can last quite a long time. Just look how long some U.S. Military 1911's have lasted.

So enter Matrix Precision, for $200 you can breath new life into an old class P-series pistol. Don't like the accessory rail? No problem, Matrix Precision has you covered. Your pistol doesn't have an accessory rail or beavertail? No problem there either, Matrix is making those as well.

Yep. Parts availability and the ability to repair and restore older guns, or just put together a project is a great thing. A lot of this stuff is getting discontinued or is unavailable from Sig, so having a third-party making quality replacements will keep the platform alive even after Sig shuts down the production line.

I don't necessarily NEED any of their stuff, but I want to give them business just to keep them doing what they're doing. It doesn't hurt, either, that they are a great company with reasonable pricing and fast shipping. I've been very impressed with every transaction I've made with them so far.

Generally, I don't make many long posts, but I must here. I've always been an "all steel" guy from way back. When more and more manufacturers started making handguns with aluminum frames in the mid to late 70s, I always rejected them because of the potential durability issue. However, as the years went on, I softened my stance towards aluminum and decided to get on board. My favorite is the SIG P225. Having said all that, I hate to admit that it's pretty amazing how well aluminum frames holds up overall. The average lifespan for the military's Beretta M9 frame is 35,000 rounds. That's a lot of ammo and the cost of purchasing that much of it alone would be astronomical.

I "get" the replacement aluminum frame idea to a degree because it is, as mentioned in the previous post, the weak part of the pistol. But what I would really embrace would be if companies offered replacement STEEL frames, not aluminum ones! It's sort of surprising that there are few (if any) at all. Are there any at all??? Let me know and I'll check them out.

Most of my favorite pistols have steel frames and they include Colt 1911, CZ 75, Browning High Power, SIG P210, SIG P220ST, SIG P226 Stainless Ilaflon-Afton Arms import, SIG P229ST, SIG P232 Stainless, Beretta Steel I, Walther PP, Beretta 70/S. You can see what my opinion of steel framed pistols is.

When polymer framed pistols came out, I thought that I'd never buy one, but just like those with aluminum frames, I bent my rules and got into them too to a degree but I won't dwell on polymer here except to say that an acquaintance of mine is friends with a competition shooter who uses the Glock 17. He has logged (at least) 87,000 rounds through that gun last time I heard!!! That's insane and beyond comprehension when you think about it.

Bottom line: If gun manufacturers offered steel frame options without rails and tails please(!!!) of their aluminum and polymer framed pistols, those are the ones I'd buy.

Steel frames are nice...until you try to carry one all day. I like having both options...it would definitely be cool if Matrix would offer a line of steel frames.

Simply put, there was a demand, and Matrix answered it. And, they are really good people.

Couldn’t agree more - Matrix is fabby and I can’t find any fault with the frame + perfect finish. But now, I have a quandary; AIM Surplus has LE trade-in P226 DAK’s for $379. Of course, the one they took a picture of for the email looks like new but I am/was very happy with my CZ82/83 from them …

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Originally posted by GeoJelly:
… False analogy?? EVERY 1911 or 1911 look-alike that I’ve ever seen or handled has to be taken off of safe in order to be decocked. …

It’s absolutely a false analogy because there’s no reason to decock a 1911. A 1911 is made safe by engaging the safety.

A closer analogy would be a revolver that is cocked- if needed to make safe the hammer would have to be manually lowered. But, as mentioned already- that is a larger hammer that is designed to be cocked and decocked manually- there’s a lot of hammer to hold onto. It’s MUCH easier to safely decock a revolver than a Sig DA/SA.

You could say with a DA/SA that you only load it and shoot it at the range, but that assumes that you always shoot it to empty. BUT, if there is a problem at the range and someone calls out to cease fire, make safe, etc., then you’d be required to decock. Or if you’re all alone, maybe you want to make it safe to do something else before resuming. Can you honestly say that you always shoot to empty?

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Originally posted by DennisM:
Tomorrow, I think I'll remove the brakes from my car. Instead of going with the engineered design, I'll stop it by downshifting and hoping that I time my foot-off-gas-pedal action correctly.

Now that was actually funny. Nicely done.
I’m not taking a side as it’s his gun but I had to laugh at this one.