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If a US patent application for the magazine was filed only recently, the application will not show in PTO data. An application for a patent that seems close was filed by Jones October 8, 2014 and the application was published on April 9, 2015 as US 2015/0096214 A1.

Possibility exists that Sig bought rights to Jones' application.

Still, since we are talking about a Sig striker fired pistol, one should wait until at least the first recall or at least one year.


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If a US patent application for the magazine was filed only recently, the application will not show in PTO data. An application for a patent that seems close was filed by Jones October 8, 2014 and the application was published on April 9, 2015 as US 2015/0096214 A1.

Possibility exists that Sig bought rights to Jones' application.

Still, since we are talking about a Sig striker fired pistol, one should wait until at least the first recall or at least one year.


So the patent on the P365 magazine may not just be marketing mumbo jumbo? Thanks for the information.
 
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The just used a staggered stacked mag rather than a true double stack.
CZ's 75 series has the same type of mag.
 
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It looks like it's actually a true double stack at the bottom that transitions through staggered to single stack at the top. I've not yet seen one in person, so maybe someone who has one can say whether the place that they narrowed it allows the trigger bar to sit closer to the centerline, thereby allowing single-stack frame thickness with a higher cap mag?


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Originally posted by P320Mac:
If a US patent application for the magazine was filed only recently, the application will not show in PTO data. An application for a patent that seems close was filed by Jones October 8, 2014 and the application was published on April 9, 2015 as US 2015/0096214 A1.

Possibility exists that Sig bought rights to Jones' application.

Still, since we are talking about a Sig striker fired pistol, one should wait until at least the first recall or at least one year.


So the patent on the P365 magazine may not just be marketing mumbo jumbo? Thanks for the information.


It is, I assure you. Everyone has patents for everything. For example, every piston upper has a patent. Saying, “the new super bad ass upper in 5.56 has a patented design that is sure to knock down bears in one shot!” People who think “patent pending” means something, such as yourself apparently, are exactly the folks this marketing mumbo jumbo is aimed at.

Oooooh, it’s “patented?!?!?!?”

Saying something is “patented” by default is marketing mumbo jumbo. Heck, I bet the flip flops I’m wearing right now have a patent on them.

If it’s truly revolutionary, then the patent will hold and others won’t be able to copy it. Wanna bet Glock and S&W have a version of the 365 in no time? Name the number and I’ll bet you.

Still waiting for you to tell me what the 365 mag is made of since you said it’s not made of metal...
 
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Originally posted by P320Mac:
If a US patent application for the magazine was filed only recently, the application will not show in PTO data. An application for a patent that seems close was filed by Jones October 8, 2014 and the application was published on April 9, 2015 as US 2015/0096214 A1.

Possibility exists that Sig bought rights to Jones' application.

Still, since we are talking about a Sig striker fired pistol, one should wait until at least the first recall or at least one year.


So the patent on the P365 magazine may not just be marketing mumbo jumbo? Thanks for the information.


It is, I assure you. Everyone has patents for everything. For example, every piston upper has a patent. Saying, “the new super bad ass upper in 5.56 has a patented design that is sure to knock down bears in one shot!” People who think “patent pending” means something, such as yourself apparently, are exactly the folks this marketing mumbo jumbo is aimed at.

Oooooh, it’s “patented?!?!?!?”

Saying something is “patented” by default is marketing mumbo jumbo. Heck, I bet the flip flops I’m wearing right now have a patent on them.

If it’s truly revolutionary, then the patent will hold and others won’t be able to copy it. Wanna bet Glock and S&W have a version of the 365 in no time? Name the number and I’ll bet you.

Still waiting for you to tell me what the 365 mag is made of since you said it’s not made of metal...


I already answered your question. Go back and read.

But you never answered my question... if this isn’t any sort of revolutionary new design/technology, then why wasn’t there already a sub compact pistol as small as the P365 that could hold 10 to 12 rounds? Why is there a similarly sized (but slightly larger) Glock 43 with only 6 to 8 round capacity if anyone could have produced this gun?
 
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if this isn’t any sort of revolutionary new design/technology, then why wasn’t there already a sub compact pistol as small as the P365 that could hold 10 to 12 rounds?


While maybe not of the same quality, the Keltec P11 is pretty close to the SIG P365 in size and has the same capacity. So a small 9mm pistol with a 10 round mag has been done before.


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Far too much arguing on who developed the mag and resulting patents and not enough credit to SIG for producing a small functioning firearm which is something none of the other popular manufacturers have yet figured out.
Unless one is a 100% fanboy of one brand or another, this tiny firearm with it's great sights and shootability is something different and I suspect the other big names are scratching their heads and scrambling.
 
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SIG doesn't need the credit, they're getting the cash. They're selling every one of these they can make, and will be until the other major manufacturers can duplicate it's round count for the size.

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Far too much arguing on who developed the mag and resulting patents and not enough credit to SIG for producing a small functioning firearm which is something none of the other popular manufacturers have yet figured out.
Unless one is a 100% fanboy of one brand or another, this tiny firearm with it's great sights and shootability is something different and I suspect the other big names are scratching their heads and scrambling.
 
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Anyone put trijicon HD's on a 365 yet?

I spoke with Sig CS today and they are standard Sig Dovetails milled in the slide so the #6/#8 set for the 938 should work

Im having difficulty picking up the green front sight. This is not isolated to the 365. something Ive started to notice over the last 6 months (my eyes are getting old Big Grin )

wanting to go with the orange front


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Anyone put trijicon HD's on a 365 yet?

I spoke with Sig CS today and they are standard Sig Dovetails milled in the slide so the #6/#8 set for the 938 should work

Im having difficulty picking up the green front sight. This is not isolated to the 365. something Ive started to notice over the last 6 months (my eyes are getting old Big Grin )

wanting to go with the orange front


Snwghst - You have mail Sir from me...Thanks Mark


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Has anyone that preordered from Brownells seen their P365 yet?
 
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Has anyone that preordered from Brownells seen their P365 yet?


Mine was preordered on 2/1/18 and no clue yet.



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I will wait a year for the recall and drop testing. By then if Glock hasn't made one I might consider it.
 
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I have been looking for a P365 for more than a month. My local sig dealer said I would have a better chance finding a leprechaun riding a unicorn. Well after many weeks of searching I finaly found the elusive P365. Now the wait for my local FFL to recieve it. Range report forthcoming.
 
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I will wait a year for the recall and drop testing. By then if Glock hasn't made one I might consider it.


Recall already happened and all the new reports and videos I have seen say that Sig fixed the issues.
 
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My early production P365 went back for the return to battery issues. I now have 1K trouble free rounds thru it. I've run at least 8 different types of ammo thru it.

My current carry round is 115gr Hornady XTPs.



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I will wait a year for the recall and drop testing. By then if Glock hasn't made one I might consider it.


This ^^^^^^^^^
Wow - so much arguing about the mags and so, so many multi-quotes!! Mine is still on order from Brownell's and I have a number of smaller (and less expensive!) options to tote around until SIG decides to ship a batch to Iowa. The SIG Pro dealer here in the area continues to say June or later.
 
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https://tooeleshootingsupply.c...ig-sauer-365-9-bxr3/

I just ordered one from here 4pm est., says 2 left. 5pm 1 left, 7pm sold out. orderd from here before they make lt easy.

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Originally posted by P320Mac:
If a US patent application for the magazine was filed only recently, the application will not show in PTO data. An application for a patent that seems close was filed by Jones October 8, 2014 and the application was published on April 9, 2015 as US 2015/0096214 A1.

Possibility exists that Sig bought rights to Jones' application.

Still, since we are talking about a Sig striker fired pistol, one should wait until at least the first recall or at least one year.


So the patent on the P365 magazine may not just be marketing mumbo jumbo? Thanks for the information.


It is, I assure you. Everyone has patents for everything. For example, every piston upper has a patent. Saying, “the new super bad ass upper in 5.56 has a patented design that is sure to knock down bears in one shot!” People who think “patent pending” means something, such as yourself apparently, are exactly the folks this marketing mumbo jumbo is aimed at.

Oooooh, it’s “patented?!?!?!?”

Saying something is “patented” by default is marketing mumbo jumbo. Heck, I bet the flip flops I’m wearing right now have a patent on them.

If it’s truly revolutionary, then the patent will hold and others won’t be able to copy it. Wanna bet Glock and S&W have a version of the 365 in no time? Name the number and I’ll bet you.

Still waiting for you to tell me what the 365 mag is made of since you said it’s not made of metal...

Yeah, didn't SIG learn the hard way about patents with the SIG516 piston that was identical to someone else's piston - LWRC IIRC? Wink
 
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