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They are both really nice pistols. I have to say the newer Glock gen 5 pistols have a much better trigger out of the box than the gen 4. I actually liked the finger grooves in the frame of the older models but am getting used to the new style without them. | |||
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I chose the 17 Gen 5. Personally, I'd rather carry a P226 or a P229 with a rail, but the Gen 5 Glocks are that freggin nice. | |||
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I've thought about this topic myself a lot. I've got to go with the Glock for 2 primary reasons: 1) It's so field-proven. 2) The Gen 5 has received a ton of positive feedback from people who train and shoot on a daily basis. The Gen 5's have been praised as much as any version I can remember, and it seems that Glock actually listened when the Gen 4 had such a rough start with the brass to the face and recoil spring assembly. The Gen 5 really is an overall improvement. I own a Gen 5 G34 and it's really a step above my Gen 3s. If I could sneak another reason in there? Cost, parts availability, holster selection, and to me, the Gen 5 trigger is still better than the M&P 2.0. | |||
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My dept issues our duty handguns. Trying to change that but, that is another story for another day. Anyway, when I started it was the S&W Smagma. What a pile. Then we went to Glock 22’s Gen 3. We currently carry Glock 22’s Gen 4. Had no real issues with either generation of Glocks. Although I can say the old shiny “frying pan” finish of the Gen 3s is a lot better than the finish on the Gen4s. I am also trying to have us go with 9mm but, to have them try different kinds including Sig, HK, and Glocks. To get on with your question. Between the two choices I would take the Glock. But, in Gen 3. Those Gen 3s worked. | |||
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The M&P 2.0 is about to replace our classic series Sigs as duty weapons. The only way that I can shoot Glock quickly and consistently is if I reduce the back strap so it's more like a normal gun. So it's the M&P for me! Proverbs 21:31 | |||
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My agency issues Gen 5 Glocks; our choice of either a G19 or G17. I chose a G17 because in this day and age I want every round of ammo I can possibly carry. I've carried Glocks of one form or another of since 1991, and they've all been utterly reliable. | |||
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Excellent advice. And thats what we did. I was tasked by the chief with selecting our new handgun. The only requirements were 9mm in a polymer frame. So we went with the Glock 17G5, P320, M&P 2.0, FN 509, HK VP9 and the Beretta APX. In the end, the Sig, Smith and Wesson and Glock wete virtually tied. Each came on top in certain categories and were narrowly beaten out by another another in others. After some discussion, agreement that transitioning from our current P series Sigs to a Glock would take additional training with the grip angle, and concern from officers with the lack of a "wall" on the 320's trigger, we went with the M&P 2.0 FS. Proverbs 21:31 | |||
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My choice would be Glock, but both are equally good choices. I personally like the way that the Glock texture feels in my hand over the S&W, especially the gen 5 models. I am now issued a Gen 5 Glock 19 and it's my favorite primary duty pistol since I've been a cop which includes a S&W 4583TSW, a SIG P229 and a Glock 22. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Ohsheepdog, What was the issue with the Beretta APX that it did not make your top contenders in the competition? Just out of curiosity since I've always been a Beretta fan. An eagle does not capture flies. | |||
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You also forgot about the big one with the NYPD when they first started with the G19 and type 3 malfunctions. This required glock to set up a temp machine shop over at NYPD to fix that problem. I was referring to exactly what you indicated, lots of shit sandwiches which Glock had to take a big ole bite and fix the problems. They have had a lot of problems overall with the platform, most of which they learned by hopefully not repeating. The 320 is a relatively new platform, and while I do like it, it has stumbled along right out of the gate. I received my first 320's directly from Sig in 2015 and have no issues with any of the ones I have. I was also dealing with S&W when the M&Ps first came out and some exhibited the dead trigger issue. They knew about it and acknowledged it during armorers training, but had no idea how to fix it, until later when the upgraded sear assemblies were resigned and released. I was around when Glocks first came out, and I did not carry one because of the newness of the design. I didn't move to glock as a duty weapon until they had been around for about 10 years. Unfortunately we are in a time now when gun manufacturers are more interested in pushing out the next new thing. They want to beat others to the market, forgoing extended testing, expecting the LE/Mil and Civilian market to beta test for them. The best thing for any modern platform is going to be time. The longer one is out, the more refined it becomes. I don't care how great or wonderful a pistol may be. If it isn't based on a current, and proven design, it very well may have problems. Then you also have to take into consideration, new manufacturing practices and materials even on a proven design that can cause problems, IE poorly manufactured MIM parts. It goes on and on. No one pistol is perfect by any means, but there are some that have some advantages over others. TXPO Coldborecustom.com | |||
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That was informative. Thanks you and to all the others as well. The M&P dead trigger issue I experienced is what is giving me hessitation. It seams to have been fixed now. An eagle does not capture flies. | |||
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Bad ergos, too narrow at top of grip, slide grooves are useless, hard mag release, mag springs were in backwards, ridiculously complicated swap grip panels, on and on. It was by far the lowest scoring one in the group. Proverbs 21:31 | |||
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The main reason I have the Apex RAM (Reset Assist Mechanism) in all my Gen 1 M&Ps is in the event of a dead trigger/broken trigger return spring, the RAM allows you to manually reset the trigger. If allowed, I’d install one, put in a new trigger return spring, and call it good.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Snake207, | |||
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I agree, and did in fact install the forward assist in my Gen 1 M&P40. When I called apextactical about the forward assist for the 2.0, he told me they did not have one for the 2.0 and in case of a trigger return spring breakage, it would fail. An eagle does not capture flies. | |||
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Ergonomics and aesthetics. honestly my only knock on Glocks. God bless America...and no one else | |||
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Glock 17. Because I can use it’s mags in my Ruger PC9 truck gun  ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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Don't put as many bullets in it. | |||
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We issue 19’s ______________________________ Men who carry guns for a living do not seek reward outside of the guild. The most cherished gift is a nod from his peers. | |||
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Having carried a M&P for several years now, in the .45 and .40 varieties though, I emphatically say Glock. Hate the M&P platform. I shoot it well enough, but I don't like the way it looks or feels. Just an opinion though. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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Thanks guys, I'm going to the local LE shop later today to check out both. I'll let you know what I got but I'm leaning towards the G17. An eagle does not capture flies. | |||
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