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Originally posted by Jupiter:
Now that the P320 is sucking donkey balls, Glock has its hands full just trying to keep up with LE demand for current models. They would be crazy to release something new.

Yeah… about that…

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Originally posted by Herknav:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
We figured the 10mm was enough and really didn’t need an 11mm.

I get your point, but my .45's just laughed at this statement.

Then don't tell them about that Desert Eagle you always wanted...

That really isn't news at this point. Sales have been dropping for years.

2022: Sales began to decline, with gun production falling by nearly 20% from 2021 levels.

2023: Sales continued to decrease to just under 15 million, a 36% drop from the 2021 high

although still historically high compared to pre-2008 levels.

2024: Sales were estimated at 15.3 million, a decrease from 2023.

2025: Early data for the first four months indicated that sales were on pace for a projected 4% drop compared to 2024.

Seeral smaller gun shops have closed in this area. Intewrnet sales hasn't helped.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:


2023: Sales continued to decrease to just under 15 million, a 36% drop from the 2021 high

2024: Sales were estimated at 15.3 million, a decrease from 2023.

Wait, what? ‘23 sales were 15M, ‘24 sales were 15.3M, and that’s lower that ‘23? Must be the new math.

With all of the demand there's been on gun companies over the past several years, I'm a bit surprised that the gun companies haven't started spending more time on some of the slightly-different-than-standard models people have mentioned wanting in the past.

I'm thinking in particular about blued revolvers, revolvers with 5" barrels, .45 Colts (why did Marlin come out with a new 10mm 1894 before coming back with a new .45 Colt 1894?), double stack 1911s in calibers other than 9mm, polymer-framed DA/SAs for under $1,000, good/reliable/accurate longer-barreled .22LR pistols and single-shot rifles using something other than a break-open system.

Then again, maybe those, too, were solutions looking for a problem.

FWIW, there does seem to be a burgeoning new market developing for rifles with factory-installed FRTs, and there are more AR15 PCCs out there than there have been in the past.

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Originally posted by Herknav:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
We figured the 10mm was enough and really didn’t need an 11mm.

I get your point, but my .45's just laughed at this statement.

There's always the .50 GI. Someday. Maybe.

I wonder what the market will handle now a days that manufacturers can trust will move to the general public. What I mean is what type of "common" consumer will spend money on which niche.

I bought a 320 sxt a kuna and 2 suppressors this year and that is it.

I wanted to sell a glock 17 and a 320 xcarry but no one wanted then locally so I just left them in the safe. I have been shooting a lot less. So I aM going to have to sell some eventually.

My local small gun shop barely carries any inventory. They limp along with revenue from transfers and consignments.. Kind of sad really

Maybe SHOT will show who wants to bring something new to market. While requiring the approval process, with SBRs, SBSs, and Silencers dropping to $0.00 tax stamps manufacturers could offer whole new product lines. Integrally suppressed rifles and PCCs with OEM warranties, Maxim-type handguns,…even suppressed shotguns ala No Country For Old Men. Instead of customers having to find the right buffer with the right adjustable gas block with the right barrel and right ammo, manufacturers could put R&D into that work and put forth models that work, quietly and reliably, for most commercially available ammo.

I think they are, the only people making some interesting things are B&T and a few others. The problem with good ideas and recreations (Hudson H9 and almost anything PSA is doing) is people are afraid to spend their money in this economy on things that aren't proven. I think after the tax stamp sunsets you will see more people than every owning supressors, but lately things are stagnant

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Originally posted by captain127:
For the most part, all firearms design is a mix of been there done that designs

Maybe yes, maybe no....
KelTec PR57 review

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
I'm a bit surprised that the gun companies haven't started spending more time on some of the slightly-different-than-standard models people have mentioned wanting in the past.

I'm thinking in particular about blued revolvers, revolvers with 5" barrels, .45 Colts (why did Marlin come out with a new 10mm 1894 before coming back with a new .45 Colt 1894?), double stack 1911s in calibers other than 9mm, polymer-framed DA/SAs for under $1,000, good/reliable/accurate longer-barreled .22LR pistols and single-shot rifles using something other than a break-open system.

Bluntly put, the demographic that wants that stuff is aging out and selling off their collections, dying, or at the very least, not buying a ton of guns. The average age of Gen X is about 53. The average age of Millennials is about 36. Speaking as someone roughly halfway between those two averages, nobody I know under retirement age gives a damn about blued 5" revolvers, .45 Colts, or single shot rifles. There's no market for the guns that were popular fifty years ago.

The market is going to be in short barrel rifles and shotguns with forced reset triggers, suppressors, and ammo to feed them. I think we'll also see an expansion in integrally suppressed guns. The suppressor portion of the market is poised to go absolutely bonkers, and I say that having spent about eighteen hours hanging out with a manufacturer this last weekend and getting to hear the things the consumer typically doesn't. There is a lot of innovation there, but like anything else, it's mostly centered in a few pioneers and a lot of "we need to get on this train" types who follow.

Of the LGS's in my area, one smaller one closed, and one larger one. A large one had the owner die and his widow and stepson are running it. Another two are hanging on. But sales are low and inventory is relatively low. The buying frenzy during COVID turned into a glut due to inflation tightening people's budgets.

In the past few years we've had a Rural King, Academy, and RangeUSA move in. In the town to the north there is a Sportsman's Warehouse.

So it looks like the big box stores will probably survive while we might lose one more of the locals.

Problem is the locals tend to carry garden variety stuff out of fear of getting "stuck" with high dollar stuff they can't move. But there are those of us that are always looking for the good stuff and willing to pay for it but not very interested in basic stuff because we have enough of that already.

RangeUSA carries the most interesting stuff usually, but the prices are higher. You have to wait for a good sale or online special.

That said, recent things of interest are the re-vamped HK VP9F A1 and VP9K A1, HK CC9, Sig P211 GTO, Dan Wesson DWX, Staccato, various Q rifles, and other odds and ends. 1911's seem to be waning but 9mm 2011's seem to be popular.

I see plenty of the new stainless Colt Pythons and Cobras so someone is buying them.

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