Are there any Sig Dak users out there in pistol land anymore ?
I know a few local cops that still carry Sig Dak pistols but they are getting fewer and fewer.
How durable is the DAK system in round useage? Can it go 10-20k rounds without any issues??

I put well over 22000 rounds through my P229R DAK before I switched over to the P320. The DAK still works great, but since I now carry the P320, my old DAK hasn't seen much range time.

Member Sigfreund is the resident DAK expert on the Forum.

I have a P226 DAK and I love it. I shoot it very well. I would expect it to as many rounds as any other P226 w/o issue.

I only have one, a P229 in .357 Sig, but I love it. Unfortunately I don’t shoot it as often as I’d like because I got it just a couple months before Covid and did not have the opportunity to stockpile ammo, but I think that cartridge in that gun with that action is about as perfect a combination as any gun I own. If I was going to carry a P series Sig that would be in DAK no doubt.

It's just as durable as any other DA/SA or DAO classic SIG.

If you enjoy shooting a nicely tuned double-action only S&W 686 you may like it because it feels pretty similar to that. It's a pretty light and smooth double-action pull. You have to let the trigger all the way out for reset.

I tried a co-worker's back when DAK was new and it didn't do much for me.

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Originally posted by KevH:
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You have to let the trigger all the way out for reset.
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Not true. This horse has been beaten so many times in these forum discussions on the DAK that there is nothing left but a rug named Trigger at this point.

The DAK trigger has a reset point. It is optional. As in, the shooter decides whether to use it, or allow the trigger to return to its forward most position before firing the next shot. The weight of the pull is dependent on which point the shooter decides to use.

Trigger. Reset. Optional.

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Originally posted by KevH:

If you enjoy shooting a nicely tuned double-action only S&W 686 you may like it because it feels pretty similar to that.

Yea, verily.

I had a chance to buy a ASIB P229R DAK at a super price. Wasn't familiar with the system - and the PO kept apologizing that it was DAK not DA/SA. Went through quite a few boxes of ammo to get use to the DAK system - and couldn't. Figured I spent more in ammo than a Sig conversion to DA/SA would cost. Sent it to Sig for the DA/SA conversion and an SRT and it is a tack-driver. Nothing against DAK, I just couldn't conquer it.

I have two p239's with DAK triggers... I suppose where folks want a double action only they are a nice option. I really don't get the advantage to the two reset positions.

Yea, I've never understood the hype or the disdain. If I want DAO that's easy. Why I would want a shorter, longer, heavier, lighter option is completely lost on me.

Options are good. This one won't ever be made again though and that is ok with me.

The system is dead so I won’t bother with trying to explain it to either the willfully ignorant or even those who might have benefited from a pistol with a DAK trigger, but to return to the original question, I can think of no reason why it wouldn’t be at least as durable as the traditional DA/SA mechanism. If anything, the sear and single action cocking notch of the DA/SA hammer have a very small interface that could conceivably wear out sooner than anything in the DAK mechanism. Based on what I’ve read here over the past couple of decades, the primary weakness of a Classic line SIG—if it has one at all—is the aluminum frame rails.

In fact, if I were limited to having one handgun in a catastrophe situation, the last one I’d get rid of would be the DAK 9mm P226 with steel frame even though I shoot the P320 better.

But as a parting shot, I’m still waiting to see any sort of explanation—not to mention a sensible one—for why the completely optional short reset of the DAK trigger gave so many people the vapors and yet the requirement to transition from the long, heavy double action trigger to the short, light single action of the Classic DA/SA was perfectly acceptable.

(No, I won’t wait up. )

Are you saying there was SRT option with the DAK system?

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Originally posted by 10x Sniper:
Are you saying there was SRT option with the DAK system?

Not sure who you are asking, but there is no SRT kit or option for those with a DAK SIG.

After the DAK trigger is pulled and the slide cycles and the trigger is allowed to move forward, the trigger resets about half way through its full arc of travel. At that point it’s a true reset and the trigger can be pulled again to fire another shot. That’s before it has been allowed to move fully forward. That short reset option helped address the complaints about the long reset of the older double action only SIG trigger.

The trigger can also be reset by allowing it to move fully forward. That’s what happens when someone is finished shooting and takes his finger off the trigger, or is firing a string and doesn’t stop its movement at the first reset point.

Because the two types of resets differ mechanically, the first reset shortens the reset stroke, but it increases the trigger pull weight for the next shot over what the weight is if the trigger goes all the way forward to the second, or full reset point. The pull weight increase is significant, but most experienced DAK shooters report that they don’t notice it when firing strings at speed. I never did.

But yes, there is no SRT mod available for the DAK system. The optional short reset is part of the system as designed.

The short reset is the source of more misunderstanding, not to say befuddlement, about the system than anything else. Most critics of the “two resets” have no idea of what they’re talking about, but that doesn’t prevent them from demonstrating their ignorance by adding their comments at every opportunity.

And another source of confusion about the DAK trigger is that if the gun is dry fired and the slide doesn’t cycle, the trigger doesn’t reset at the short point. But that’s a different topic of discussion.

Yikes. I'm not sure anyone has had the "vapors" since the 1950's but the reason people don't like DAK is because it is odd in weird ways that don't make much sense. My buddy loved DAK. Until he got one. That's the common theme.

We aren't so ignorant that we don't understand the "optional" short but heavier reset. We just tend to shoot strikers and DA better and better at speed as well. Which you do too by your own admission. This is a gun created for administrative reasons and without those reasons most people tend to choose other options that they shoot better. I won't even touch your argument about wearing out sear engagements because well, its just silly.

If I wanted a unique LE driven "solution" I think LEM is a better one. I don't like LEM either. Shot it for years, never liked it better than strikers or DA though. Your entire premise seems to be DAK is misunderstood. Perhaps we have tried it and didn't see the point. Or we are just willfully ignorant like you said. Yea, that's probably right.

Hey, you like what you like, nothing wrong with that. Don't be annoyed when the rest of us think you brought an ugly date to the dance though. lol

My comments about some subjects tend to become acerbic, but what I object to is the diseased thinking they often address. Preferences are one thing: “I don’t like double action triggers (except for Glock’s).” Gotcha: many people agree and I fully understand why they don’t like DA triggers. But befuddled misstatements based on ignorance are another, and I don’t understand why they’re so common about certain topics. I don’t know anything about a lot of things: lawn mowers, race car engines, cigars, knife blade steels, and on and on. What I do know, however, is how foolish it would make me appear if I jumped into a discussion about knives and said something like, “Oldiron123 is crap steel for knives,” because I’d heard or read something about the topic without really understanding it. If I said something like that I should be called on it, and would be. And probably not in the most soothing language.

And I also tend to get even more touchy when someone misinterprets my statements either deliberately or because they don’t pay enough attention to them to get them right. To cite just one example, “If anything, the sear and single action cocking notch of the DA/SA hammer have a very small interface that could conceivably wear out sooner than anything in the DAK mechanism,” was stated as clearly as I could make it. I didn’t say that wearing out the sear/hammer interface is likely, I said that it’s more likely to fail than anything in the DAK mechanism: there is a profound difference between likely and more likely. Is it likely I will ever be struck by lightning? No. Is it more likely that I will be struck by lightning than I will be hit by a falling space station? Yes.
I can only marvel at anyone’s inability to understand the difference if he is a native English speaker—unless it wasn’t a genuine failure to understand, but was rather a desperate and shabby debater’s attempt to confuse the judges by claiming I said something that I didn’t.

Ok then.

My primary carry weapon is a P-220 DAK.

I don't own a DAK gun, but a couple of local agencies used to issue them and as such there are some floating around in my shooting circles, and I've had occasion to shoot them a few times. Here's my take on the DAK:

When I consider a gun for carry, I have to look at the whole system. How accurate is it? How reliable? How carry-able? How safe? How am I going to carry it, in what kind of holsters, and in what environments?

Personally, the thought of carrying a weapon that is pre-cocked, with the ignition system under spring pressure that is only held back by counter-pressure on a sear notch and firing pin safety skeeves me out a little bit in some circumstances. I carry a P320 at work, but it lives in a hard-sided duty holster that protects the gun from outside incursions, and holds the gun in an orientation that doesn't muzzle me or anyone else. It's also rigid and can't close up and snag the light, short trigger when re-holstering. IMO the holster is just as vital a part of the safety aspect of carrying this gun as the internal safeties. I feel very confident that the pre-tensioned striker system on the P320 is safe to carry in this manner, but I'm more comfortable with other options under different circumstances.

When I'm off-duty, I'm not carrying a giant hard-sided duty holster around. I may want to carry in a position other than on my hip, and my activities are different when on my own time. I may be working on a car, cutting up trees, or lying on the couch in the living room. My wife and kids are around me doing stuff, roughousing, hugging me, etc...pretty much the typical family stuff. In that environment, I like the added safety of a system that requires input on my part to provide the force necessary to fire the gun. If a sear notch or firing pin block fails, the gun still isn't ready to discharge without input on the trigger to provide spring tension for the hammer. For this reason, I tend to carry my P245 or revolvers a lot off-duty. The DAK would fit nicely into this role, with a smooth consistent trigger of a revolver with the added capacity and faster reloads of a semi-auto.

As to the shootability of the DAK trigger, once you learn to smoothly pull-through a long DA pull, I've found that it can produce really accurate results on target because it's very consistent. The same can obviously be said for an SA or striker pull...it all comes down to training. The DAK guns I've fired have had excellent, smooth triggers of a manageable weight, and are very easy to shoot well. I shoot a lot of DA revolvers, too, and I'd say most of mine have a heavier pull than the DAK guns that I've shot. Sig did an excellent job executing the design.

As to the short reset...it's just icing on the cake. IMO if you train for it, short-stroking should not be an issue. But for those who are used to short-rest DA/SA or striker-fired guns, the fact that the DAK offers that option is nice. Personally, I usually find myself not using it...but then again, I'm used to revolvers.

In conclusion, I wouldn't shy away from a DAK if I was in the market for a particular gun and one came along at a price that was appealing. But I wouldn't go out of my way to trade my DA/SA guns for them, either. It's a good, workable system for a practical carry gun if you're willing to put in the time to learn it. I think it's popularity has just waned as the market has gone more towards striker guns and the older DA revolver guys are phasing out. DA/SA has started to see a resurgence in competition, but the DAK isn't really optimized for that, either. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the system...it just doesn't fit in well with the new hotness.

Wow.

To answer the question without getting sigfruends panties wadded, no it was never very popular and most people don’t prefer it to other choices. It’s not being made currently, probably never will again, and most people who have shot them won’t lament their demise.

And yes DAK parts will probably outlast the rest of the gun.