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Originally posted by sns3guppy:.........

Every time I press that trigger, it's either going to go bang, or not.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
No, I didn't sleep through it, but it's bullshit.

You should be glad to fly on my aircraft (though you never will); failure is always assumed and prepared for...which is the case on all professionally operated flights. There is never a time when we will look at a potential failure and suggest that the odds of it happening are low, so we won't worry about it. Either it will, or it won't. We'll prepare for both.

A statistics guru will tell me that the odds are x, with mean and median and range and a lot of other crap which means exactly squat at the time of failure.

If it's mechanical, it will fail. It's never a matter of if, but when.

If it's biological, it will fail. Biological failure rate is 100%. There is never a question of if: always when. We all die.

You may ave 50,000 trouble free rounds through that P365 or G19 and not a single one of them counts for squat when you're in a gunfight and the weapon fails. Not one of them. What are the odds? Who gives a damn at that place, and time?

Stand up. Wave a white flag, and ask if you can get a pass, because the odds say this shouldn't be happening. Explain that it worked just fine the other 50,000 times. It's not really fair to be stuck, on this one.

Why do we bother doing malfunction drills?

Because it will malfunction. Why do I carry that second magazine? It's not because I plan to die in a pile of hot brass fighting off the hells angels. It's extra ammunition, but it's about going for a fresh magazine rather than troubleshooting the problem. We all understand that. We understand it because it will happen.

A few days ago we rejected a takeoff, a high-speed reject. A big bang, a big ball of flame, and a red light. Hot brakes. It was loud enough that the tower felt it. And heard it. Pretty big boom. What were the odds? If you're a statistics professor, I have no idea, but where the rubber meets the runway, it was 50/50 on each engine. Either it would, or it wouldn't. One of them wouldn't. We were either going, or rejecting; it was 50/50. We rejected.

Every time I press that trigger, it's either going to go bang, or not.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
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A statistics guru will tell me that the odds are x, with mean and median and range and a lot of other crap which means exactly squat at the time of failure.

If it's mechanical, it will fail. It's never a matter of if, but when.

If it's biological, it will fail. Biological failure rate is 100%. There is never a question of if: always when. We all die.

You may ave 50,000 trouble free rounds through that P365 or G19 and not a single one of them counts for squat when you're in a gunfight and the weapon fails. Not one of them. What are the odds? Who gives a damn at that place, and time?
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
No, I didn't sleep through it, but it's bullshit.

You should be glad to fly on my aircraft (though you never will); failure is always assumed and prepared for...which is the case on all professionally operated flights. There is never a time when we will look at a potential failure and suggest that the odds of it happening are low, so we won't worry about it. Either it will, or it won't. We'll prepare for both.

A statistics guru will tell me that the odds are x, with mean and median and range and a lot of other crap which means exactly squat at the time of failure.

If it's mechanical, it will fail. It's never a matter of if, but when.

If it's biological, it will fail. Biological failure rate is 100%. There is never a question of if: always when. We all die.

You may ave 50,000 trouble free rounds through that P365 or G19 and not a single one of them counts for squat when you're in a gunfight and the weapon fails. Not one of them. What are the odds? Who gives a damn at that place, and time?

Stand up. Wave a white flag, and ask if you can get a pass, because the odds say this shouldn't be happening. Explain that it worked just fine the other 50,000 times. It's not really fair to be stuck, on this one.

Why do we bother doing malfunction drills?

Because it will malfunction. Why do I carry that second magazine? It's not because I plan to die in a pile of hot brass fighting off the hells angels. It's extra ammunition, but it's about going for a fresh magazine rather than troubleshooting the problem. We all understand that. We understand it because it will happen.

A few days ago we rejected a takeoff, a high-speed reject. A big bang, a big ball of flame, and a red light. Hot brakes. It was loud enough that the tower felt it. And heard it. Pretty big boom. What were the odds? If you're a statistics professor, I have no idea, but where the rubber meets the runway, it was 50/50 on each engine. Either it would, or it wouldn't. One of them wouldn't. We were either going, or rejecting; it was 50/50. We rejected.

Every time I press that trigger, it's either going to go bang, or not.

Yes, but your terminology is incorrect.

As a detail oriented aviator, it seems like you are pretty particular with things

You are misusing the term odds / probability with potential outcomes. Potential outcomes are useful in determining probability, but they aren't in fact odds.

If it was 50/50, you are saying that half the time it happens, half the time it doesn't.

In which case you'd likely be dead from losing so many engines and crashing. Or you pistol would not fire half of the time.

You are just plain wrong, whether you can put the ego aside to admit it, IDK.

Have a nice day!

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Originally posted by djpaintles:

The main point that I take from sns3guppy is that you don't skip planning for emergencies because they are likely not to happen, you plan for emergencies because they at any time CAN........

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
Sorry to hear yours busted OP. It's a MIM firing pin. If anyone is comfortable carrying that when said pin is under lateral stress, that's cool. I however don't trust that combination at all.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
or a proven G19.

LOL. You mean like this one?

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/6820091354

When I read things to where people like to tout Glock's "Proven track record", I have to giggle. I giggle a bunch. Because they have either not been around for very long, they don't go to the range much, or they are just blind by way of loving Glocks. Glock's can, often do malfunction, and break. Glock has a shit reputation for anyone that has been paying attention and not make excuses. Guns that detonate in the hand, guns that won't function when you put a light on them, guns that won't function because of erratic extraction and ejection, and on and on. But, their reputation is no better or worse than the shit shows by other major players. They are all about the same if you actually pay attention, and not put one brand on high because Tommy Lee Jones said so in US Marshals.

As guppy said, they are machines, and every time you roll out with one, you roll the dice.

This stuff happens. It happens to everyone, including Glock.

I don't own a 365, and unless I have to buy one for a project, I probably won't buy one. But, this constant bashing, back up with (snicker) "Glock's Proven Record", is funny to me beyond words. When SOCOM dumps the G19 this year, the rate of depression that will sweep across the internet will be epic.