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Originally posted by matthew03:
My bad guys, I’m a dumb ass: It is PPN9MC 124g 9mm NATO

I see you bought some of the PPU 9mm NATO, # PPN9BP and PPN9MC so it may have been that ammo not the MEN. These are a NATO M882 spec load that is 10% over standard pressure. Still the same story, I've seen this happen with that ammo as well as a mess of other types of ammo too, the P320 seems to do this regularly

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Originally posted by Edmond:
I'm a failure at reading. I read that as you donated your Sig. As I read through the thread, I was trying to see why and where you donated it to...

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by matthew03:
My bad guys, I’m a dumb ass: It is PPN9MC 124g 9mm NATO

I see you bought some of the PPU 9mm NATO, # PPN9BP and PPN9MC so it may have been that ammo not the MEN. These are a NATO M882 spec load that is 10% over standard pressure. Still the same story, I've seen this happen with that ammo as well as a mess of other types of ammo too, the P320 seems to do this regularly

Sorry, I am a bit confused. Is the bolded part a response from SGAmmo?

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Originally posted by matthew03:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by matthew03:
My bad guys, I’m a dumb ass: It is PPN9MC 124g 9mm NATO

I see you bought some of the PPU 9mm NATO, # PPN9BP and PPN9MC so it may have been that ammo not the MEN. These are a NATO M882 spec load that is 10% over standard pressure. Still the same story, I've seen this happen with that ammo as well as a mess of other types of ammo too, the P320 seems to do this regularly

Sorry, I am a bit confused. Is the bolded part a response from SGAmmo?

Yes, PH, that was a reply from SG Ammo, I wanted to quote it because I had thrown shade on a different brand of ammo. My mistake, sorry.

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Originally posted by Brett B:

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Originally posted by matthew03:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by matthew03:
My bad guys, I’m a dumb ass: It is PPN9MC 124g 9mm NATO

I see you bought some of the PPU 9mm NATO, # PPN9BP and PPN9MC so it may have been that ammo not the MEN. These are a NATO M882 spec load that is 10% over standard pressure. Still the same story, I've seen this happen with that ammo as well as a mess of other types of ammo too, the P320 seems to do this regularly

Sorry, I am a bit confused. Is the bolded part a response from SGAmmo?

Yes, PH, that was a reply from SG Ammo, I wanted to quote it because I had thrown shade on a different brand of ammo. My mistake, sorry.

Ok, so are you going to correct your previous posts? It looks like you are shooting ammo that is known to be overpressure and has caused issues with several other guns. It would be nice to clear up the confusion in this thread.

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Originally posted by Horn:
Matthew03-
Read the vendor's answer. Didn't know it was from the vendor until the "I'll buy it back". I feel what he said about the P320__is a bridge too far!
"..every ammo" he sells?
I think he owes you a new pistol. And he can deal with the ammo manufacturer regarding his cost (of the pistol)
I usually end with "Stay safe"__ you tried.
Poli Viejo

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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Glad to hear you were not hurt Mattew03. Upseting situation

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
This thread is too confused to sort out and make straight from the beginning, so I’ll just tell y’all that I’ll repeat what I’ve stated before: a round in any P320 cannot fire from a striker impact unless it is fully chambered and the barrel is locked to the slide sufficiently to contain normal pressure. I’ve set up multiile tests to determine whether the original P320 could fire out of battery. It can’t, so something else is going on here. With the overwhelming popularity of this pistol, including among our students, it’s no wonder why we see a cluster of bad ammo failing in them over other models. Our last OpSpec class at SIG? 16 P320’s out of 20 students.


In this case here, it’s obviously the ammo. If I read correctly, even the P320-bashing ammo monger enthusiastically agrees, now that he is off the hook for selling it.

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Originally posted by JimTheo:
Interesting thread- I had a similar issue in May to my fairly new 320X5. My reloads though, so I thought it very well was my fault. Only problem was that in the 35 years of reloading I NEVER had a double charge or ANY bad round. First time for everything I suppose.

Sent back to SIG, must have been lucky as it was covered under warranty. Blew extractor off, no other damage. Check out the photo-

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Originally posted by matthew03:
Heard from the vender:

Hi Matt

I have seen the Sig P320 do this with just about every popular type of FMJ target ammo I stock, PMC, Federal American Eagle, Magtech, CCI, Speer Lawman, Prvi Partizan, Winchester, now MEN, and I have seen reports of it doing it with other brands as well.

It is a gun with major engineering flaws that has already been subject to a recall for firing when dropped loaded, and I believe these are examples of a different flaw of firing out of battery and blowing out the back end of the cartridge case, but my experience shows Sig will deflect the blame for the issue and claim it is 'overcharged ammo' even though they know that is not true.

I have seen more problems with the Sig P320 (all of this same nature) in the past 12 months than I have seen with all other guns combined in all 17 years I have been in this busienss. IMO its not a gun worth having and essentially is like hold a 'time bomb' in you hand that continues to repeat this problem like nothing I have ever seen in all my years in this business.

Sig should recall and destroy all the P320s they have ever made but it would probably bankrupt them so I think they will continue to deny fault.

If you like I would buy back the ammo you have left over and refund for what is returned but its not the ammo that caused this, the MEN 9mm ammo has a flawless track record and is manufactured to standard pressure, its not even a +P load, and there is no way the ammo is the guilty party in this case, regardless I will take it back if you do not feel comfortable with it.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
... And Gray says it can't happen. I trust him...

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by matthew03:
Heard from the vender:

Hi Matt

I have seen the Sig P320 do this with just about every popular type of FMJ target ammo I stock, PMC, Federal American Eagle, Magtech, CCI, Speer Lawman, Prvi Partizan, Winchester, now MEN, and I have seen reports of it doing it with other brands as well.

It is a gun with major engineering flaws that has already been subject to a recall for firing when dropped loaded, and I believe these are examples of a different flaw of firing out of battery and blowing out the back end of the cartridge case, but my experience shows Sig will deflect the blame for the issue and claim it is 'overcharged ammo' even though they know that is not true.

I have seen more problems with the Sig P320 (all of this same nature) in the past 12 months than I have seen with all other guns combined in all 17 years I have been in this busienss. IMO its not a gun worth having and essentially is like hold a 'time bomb' in you hand that continues to repeat this problem like nothing I have ever seen in all my years in this business.

Sig should recall and destroy all the P320s they have ever made but it would probably bankrupt them so I think they will continue to deny fault.

If you like I would buy back the ammo you have left over and refund for what is returned but its not the ammo that caused this, the MEN 9mm ammo has a flawless track record and is manufactured to standard pressure, its not even a +P load, and there is no way the ammo is the guilty party in this case, regardless I will take it back if you do not feel comfortable with it.

I am glad you are unhurt.

But I would take that screed with a large grain of salt. That ammo is known to be quite hot, right? And Gray says it can't happen. I trust him.

I don't know what happened, but I find it hard that to believe that if these guns were really faulty that SIG wouldn't recall them. The potential liability is huge.