June 03, 2018, 06:38 PM
cslinger
Seriously though, and I love SGAmmo, wouldnt there be more rampant web scuttlebut if this was as significant as he says???
quote:Originally posted by matthew03:
Heard from the vender:
Hi Matt
I have seen the Sig P320 do this with just about every popular type of FMJ target ammo I stock, PMC, Federal American Eagle, Magtech, CCI, Speer Lawman, Prvi Partizan, Winchester, now MEN, and I have seen reports of it doing it with other brands as well.
It is a gun with major engineering flaws that has already been subject to a recall for firing when dropped loaded, and I believe these are examples of a different flaw of firing out of battery and blowing out the back end of the cartridge case, but my experience shows Sig will deflect the blame for the issue and claim it is 'overcharged ammo' even though they know that is not true.
I have seen more problems with the Sig P320 (all of this same nature) in the past 12 months than I have seen with all other guns combined in all 17 years I have been in this busienss. IMO its not a gun worth having and essentially is like hold a 'time bomb' in you hand that continues to repeat this problem like nothing I have ever seen in all my years in this business.
Sig should recall and destroy all the P320s they have ever made but it would probably bankrupt them so I think they will continue to deny fault.
If you like I would buy back the ammo you have left over and refund for what is returned but its not the ammo that caused this, the MEN 9mm ammo has a flawless track record and is manufactured to standard pressure, its not even a +P load, and there is no way the ammo is the guilty party in this case, regardless I will take it back if you do not feel comfortable with it.
quote:Originally posted by jljones:
Has the gun been for the upgrade?
quote:Originally posted by pedropcola:
Well just to be argumentative, while he doesn’t sell guns he sells ammo and it is certainly in his best interest for this to be a gun problem and not an ammo problem.
Is this a rampant problem like he claims?
quote:Originally posted by RHINOWSO:quote:Originally posted by matthew03:
Heard from the vender:
Hi Matt
I have seen the Sig P320 do this with just about every popular type of FMJ target ammo I stock, PMC, Federal American Eagle, Magtech, CCI, Speer Lawman, Prvi Partizan, Winchester, now MEN, and I have seen reports of it doing it with other brands as well.
It is a gun with major engineering flaws that has already been subject to a recall for firing when dropped loaded, and I believe these are examples of a different flaw of firing out of battery and blowing out the back end of the cartridge case, but my experience shows Sig will deflect the blame for the issue and claim it is 'overcharged ammo' even though they know that is not true.
I have seen more problems with the Sig P320 (all of this same nature) in the past 12 months than I have seen with all other guns combined in all 17 years I have been in this busienss. IMO its not a gun worth having and essentially is like hold a 'time bomb' in you hand that continues to repeat this problem like nothing I have ever seen in all my years in this business.
Sig should recall and destroy all the P320s they have ever made but it would probably bankrupt them so I think they will continue to deny fault.
If you like I would buy back the ammo you have left over and refund for what is returned but its not the ammo that caused this, the MEN 9mm ammo has a flawless track record and is manufactured to standard pressure, its not even a +P load, and there is no way the ammo is the guilty party in this case, regardless I will take it back if you do not feel comfortable with it.
Daaaaamnn.... And it's not like SG Ammo is a 'small time' ammunition distributor... And they don't sell guns, so he's got no dog in the fight to needlessly bash the P320...
quote:Originally posted by triaxle:
I never had a problem with this ammo , But my Sig 320 L/E has been boxed up to go back since Oct , I called and still never a word from them , also got the new 320X Carry and the slide does not go into batt all the time , if you pull the trigger it jumps forward .
quote:Originally posted by cslinger:
Seriously though, and I love SGAmmo, wouldnt there be more rampant web scuttlebut if this was as significant as he says???
quote:Originally posted by matthew03:
Pics are on FaceBook if one of my friends there would be so kind to share them here.
I see your point but I don't think it would be in his (SG Ammo) bests interests (long term) to sell shit ammo - as he's just the middle man, he's not making the ammo so if there was in fact a shit lot, it would be in his best interests to say it was shit and stop selling it.quote:Originally posted by pedropcola:
Well just to be argumentative, while he doesn’t sell guns he sells ammo and it is certainly in his best interest for this to be a gun problem and not an ammo problem.
quote:Originally posted by cslinger:
Seriously though, and I love SGAmmo, wouldnt there be more rampant web scuttlebut if this was as significant as he says???
quote:Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Is it just me or is the case in the last photo PPU ammo? Doesn't look like German MEN 9MM.
But I've had great luck with PPU as well, so it really doesn't mean much to me if it is indeed the case.
quote:Originally posted by DSgrouse:
Are there any shots with the case out of the chamber and with the inside of the chamber?
I wonder if one of these rounds just had the bullet slide forward a tad and keep it just a hair out of battery.
In the other thread there was mention of Coated lead bullets. Is this that kind of poly coat ammo?
quote:Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Is it just me or is the case in the last photo PPU ammo? Doesn't look like German MEN 9MM.
But I've had great luck with PPU as well, so it really doesn't mean much to me if it is indeed the case.