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People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to live - LDC related
October 28, 2017, 09:41 AM
12131People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to live - LDC related
quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Both of my SIGs (P238 & 9mm X5) have plain wire, rather than twisted, recoil springs, so I'm not savvy about the latter. In your photo, it appears that the springs are light colored at the back, but dark at the front. What's with that?
Don't know anything about the 238 or 938, but the X-guns are completely different animals with their non-stranded recoil springs. All other classic P-series SIGs currently have their own factory color coded stranded recoil springs.
Q
October 28, 2017, 10:01 AM
2AdefenderWow. Looks like Ray Charles did the QC and test fire of your LDC, Q!
Get the triggers massaged and they will be great shooters.
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October 28, 2017, 11:16 AM
RHINOWSOHow much they set you back?
October 28, 2017, 11:55 AM
GraygunsThis was an easy error to make, as the LDC was specified for a white 228-9 spring.
If you want a new rod, let us know and we’ll send you a couple FAT’s so they match.
-Bruce
Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER
Visit us at
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Grayguns Inc.
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October 28, 2017, 12:25 PM
Pipe Smokerquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Both of my SIGs (P238 & 9mm X5) have plain wire, rather than twisted, recoil springs, so I'm not savvy about the latter. In your photo, it appears that the springs are light colored at the back, but dark at the front. What's with that?
Don't know anything about the 238 or 938, but the X-guns are completely different animals with their non-stranded recoil springs. All other classic P-series SIGs currently have their own factory color coded stranded recoil springs.
I believe that the .40 S&W X-Guns do have stranded recoil springs.
Serious about crackers October 28, 2017, 12:50 PM
FN in MTWhat's an LDC? They passed completely under the radar for me.
Too busy with CZ's, reloading and Camaro's of late.
October 28, 2017, 02:02 PM
tekmassaquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
But, apparently, you didn't have a problem with yours in the first place? The post below is yours, from
THIS THREAD.
Correct, mine did not require the effort you described. Not gonna stop me from swapping in a lighter mainspring though
Bruce, I'm curious why the white 228/229 recoil spring is correct for these LDC's? My pistol was having issues returning to battery until I swapped over to the orange standard P226 spring.
Thanks!
October 28, 2017, 02:10 PM
pinbot1966quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
.....And, to add insult to injury, check out the guide rod. It belongs to the P228/P229.
SIG QC, really, guys?....
Wow! This blunder does not instill a warm fuzzy feeling. It makes me wonder what other QA/QC items have been missed.
October 28, 2017, 11:14 PM
Dusty78I bought a new 220 Sport Stock once that wouldn’t cycle for anything. Finally I realized that they had shipped it with a 226 recoil spring.
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October 28, 2017, 11:46 PM
ensigmaticquote:
Originally posted by Grayguns:
This was an easy error to make, as the LDC was specified for a white 228-9 spring.
If you want a new rod, let us know and we’ll send you a couple FAT’s so they match.
-Bruce
There ya go, Q. Some of that karma coming back to you
Funny, how that works...
(Btw: I thought you were trying to get down to double digits
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soggy_spinoutI understand your displeasure but mix-ups do happen. SIG should be able to take care of the mistake; I'm certain that not ALL of their CS attention is focused on 320s or the faulty hammers on a 'limited number' of their AR platform long guns.
October 29, 2017, 01:11 AM
Excam_Manquote:
Originally posted by FN in MT:
What's an LDC?
Long Dust Cover
Frame is as long as the slide.
October 29, 2017, 01:14 AM
Excam_Manquote:
Originally posted by Grayguns:
This was an easy error to make, as the LDC was specified for a white 228-9 spring.
-Bruce
Curious as to why the 226 LDC would use a 228-9 spring (greater slide contact causing more friction)?
October 30, 2017, 06:38 AM
C-DubsOn a more positive note, you can create your own P226 LDCT and P226 LDCRT by swapping slides
Probably be one of the first to try it
“I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” October 30, 2017, 09:14 AM
David Leequote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by tekmassa:
Do you think the poor trigger is due to the use of the e2 specific mainspring strut vs the shorter mainspring strut used in new Sigs? I switched to a 17lb spring and have been doing lots of dry firing, which has improved things tremendously.
But, apparently, you didn't have a problem with yours in the first place? The post below is yours, from
THIS THREAD.
quote:
Originally posted by tekmassa:
Second note, regarding the trigger. My trigger is smooth with less effort required than my other factory P226. I don't have a trigger gauge, but it was pleasant in both DA and SA.
Not "heavy", and definitely not the workout that 12131 described on his...
But, no matter, they will get a trip to Burke, whenever I get around to it.
. I was hoping to read that. I don't get it. There's no faking it with this model. It's not supposed to be mass produced run of the mill. Cheap bastards really got some nerve.
October 30, 2017, 12:25 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by C-Dubs:
On a more positive note, you can create your own P226 LDCT and P226 LDCRT by swapping slides
Probably be one of the first to try it
What do you think I was doing when I took off them slides?
Q
October 30, 2017, 03:49 PM
C-Dubsquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by C-Dubs:
On a more positive note, you can create your own P226 LDCT and P226 LDCRT by swapping slides
Probably be one of the first to try it
What do you think I was doing when I took off them slides?
shoulda known...if you'd posted photos of them, Sig would probably be inundated with emails/calls asking about them
“I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” October 30, 2017, 07:13 PM
MudPhudOh man, so sorry about the guide rod mix up. Nonetheless, the silver and black pair sure do look NICE (especially with the triple serial numbers). I can only imagine the tirade of expletives you unleashed when you realized the assembly error. I also wonder how many more with the exact same mix up are out there in the wild.
But back to tekmassa's question... Why a P228-9 (white) factory recoil spring setup and not a P226-9 (orange) one, since the P226 LDC slide is much more P226-like than P228/P229-like in dimension and weight?
MudPhud
October 31, 2017, 01:07 AM
GraygunsTo clarify my comment regarding the use of the white 228-9 recoil spring in the 226LDC9, this is what we've long observed as SIG SAUER practice when down-springing certain P-Series target sport models, such as the old Sport Stock, AllRound or other Master Shop builds. The shorter 228 spring is intended to serve as a de facto reduced rate spring for such heavy, 15mm barrel, tight full size 9's which may not otherwise cycle reliably with standard orange springs. Alternatively, you'll also encounter purpose-designed reduced rate springs (in both single strand and multi-strand styles) in such pistols. The LDC is no different.
-Bruce
Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER
Visit us at
http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.
Bruce Gray, President
Grayguns Inc.
Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729
October 31, 2017, 11:47 AM
JAFOquote:
Originally posted by Grayguns:
To clarify my comment regarding the use of the white 228-9 recoil spring in the 226LDC9, this is what we've long observed as SIG SAUER practice when down-springing certain P-Series target sport models, such as the old Sport Stock, AllRound or other Master Shop builds. The shorter 228 spring is intended to serve as a de facto reduced rate spring for such heavy, 15mm barrel, tight full size 9's which may not otherwise cycle reliably with standard orange springs. Alternatively, you'll also encounter purpose-designed reduced rate springs (in both single strand and multi-strand styles) in such pistols. The LDC is no different.
-Bruce
Interesting. My Allround ran great with your GGI pink springs when I had them, and it runs fine with standard orange 9mm springs as well.
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