HK experts, what is a HK "Mod PSP", and why is it as costly as brand new car?

August 24, 2020, 07:11 PM

12131

And, on the really interesting side, they're listing a Walther P5. The typical P5 is nothing to write home, but what makes this one really fascinating to me is that the grip frame is not of the P5 but that of the P5 Compact. Never seen anything like that before. So, here is another question for the experts. Have you ever seen a Walther P5 with a grip frame of the P5 Compact? This is NOT a FrankenP5, since all numbers match. I'm not linking it, since it's alive auction.

August 24, 2020, 08:15 PM

cas

Lots of stupid lately.

$23k Rem 870

August 24, 2020, 08:49 PM

cslinger

I have a P5 and owned a P5 compact at one time. I have never seen a “mix” of the two. Interesting.

August 25, 2020, 01:22 AM

P210

quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
The PSP was introduced in 1976. This example was built/ proofed in 1978 (HI date code). How is it a "prototype" anything?

This help any? Point is, it’s worth $32k to someone. How smart or savvy that someone is, I don’t feel qualified to to comment on.

“The PSP was produced from May of 1976 through 1978. Only 239 total models were manufactured. The serial numbers for the PSP go from 001-239, then 240-250 are for the PSP/P7, and after 251 starts the P7 series.”

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“ The PSP was produced from May 1976 until 1978; with only 239 pistols manufactured in total. A transitional group of 10 pistols marked either PSP or P7 were then made before serialised production of the P7 began in 1979. All three of the competing pistols from Walther, SIG-Sauer and Heckler & Koch were deemed acceptable for service with the various West German state and Federal police forces. Each state was allowed to purchase which pistol they prefered. The P7 was the most expensive of the three pistols but was selected by the elite Federal counter-terrorism and special operations unit GSG9 and a number of state police forces including: the North Rhine-Westphalia Police’s Spezialeinsatzkommandos (SEK) or Special Operations Command, Baden-Württemberg Police’s plain clothes officers, and Saxony and Bavaria’s police forces. These contracts saw Heckler & Koch’s total P7 production going solely to the police for the first two years.”

https://www.historicalfirearms...ch-began-development

August 25, 2020, 07:41 AM

BuddyChryst

Let’s start out with: I don’t think it’s worth anywhere near $32K. But I’m not the one that decides value.

As popular as the P7 has become, there’s really kinda scant sources for definitive answers on its evolution, at least that I’ve seen. May Ian will do a video from HK’s Gray Room (or maybe he has and I missed it).

Anyway, from my understanding, the P7 didn’t become the P7 until it passed trials along with the P5 and P6. Before that, it was the PSP. Early versions had shorter grip panels, where the mag base plate stuck out a bit and also the heel mag release was more of a triangular lever. Inadvertent mag releases made for a slight redesign, Both in the shape of the lever and the length of the grip to make the release lever more flush.

Then we all know the P7M8 (and variations) moved the mag release to the frame by the trigger guard (more “American” but still a lever, not a button), extended the trigger guard, and added the heat shield to the trigger guard.

No one really knows why the P7/PSP is prone to turning plum. Whether it was a process/heat error, or unintended or even accepted consequence of their intentional process or what.

And if anyone knows anything above to be incorrect or have additional information, no ego here, correct me!

August 25, 2020, 08:15 AM

lyman

quote:
Originally posted by BuddyChryst:
Let’s start out with: I don’t think it’s worth anywhere near $32K. But I’m not the one that decides value.

As popular as the P7 has become, there’s really kinda scant sources for definitive answers on its evolution, at least that I’ve seen. May Ian will do a video from HK’s Gray Room (or maybe he has and I missed it).

Anyway, from my understanding, the P7 didn’t become the P7 until it passed trials along with the P5 and P6. Before that, it was the PSP. Early versions had shorter grip panels, where the mag base plate stuck out a bit and also the heel mag release was more of a triangular lever. Inadvertent mag releases made for a slight redesign, Both in the shape of the lever and the length of the grip to make the release lever more flush.

Then we all know the P7M8 (and variations) moved the mag release to the frame by the trigger guard (more “American” but still a lever, not a button), extended the trigger guard, and added the heat shield to the trigger guard.

No one really knows why the P7/PSP is prone to turning plum. Whether it was a process/heat error, or unintended or even accepted consequence of their intentional process or what.

And if anyone knows anything above to be incorrect or have additional information, no ego here, correct me!

some Ruger rifles will turn Plum as well ,

was told it was due to the metallurgy, and bluing process,