Evil exists. You can not negotiate with, bribe or placate evil. You're not going to be able to have it sit down with Dr. Phil for an anger management session either.
August 08, 2025, 03:47 PM
frogger
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Originally posted by kkina: ^I just saw that article, too. About 3 posts above yours.
Oops.
•••••••••••••••••••• "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin
August 08, 2025, 04:19 PM
sigmonkey
quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund: Airman arrested for death that prompted Air Force-wide safety review of Sig M18...
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August 08, 2025, 04:25 PM
bubbatime
Whew. Now we can put the P320 back in our holsters. That was close.
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August 08, 2025, 05:01 PM
Lt CHEG
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Originally posted by bubbatime: Whew. Now we can put the P320 back in our holsters. That was close.
You can put it back in your holster if you like, but I’ll politely decline to put a 320 in my own holster thank you very much. I do still dig my P365 for its compactness when I really don’t feel like carrying a gun. If it wasn’t for the fact that SIG has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I no longer wish to support them as a company, I’d actually consider getting a P365 Fuze, quasi full size pistol. I actually really liked my buddy’s that I handled recently. I could also see myself buying a 226 Legion SAO or one of the SAO X5 or X6 (or whatever the heck they’re called nowadays) if SIG would kick Cohen to the curb. I like to put my money where my mouth is and support organizations that I stopped supporting due to bad management when they change management and attempt to Right their ways (e.g. the NRA).
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August 08, 2025, 06:12 PM
V-Tail
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Originally posted by Lwt16:
TFOs
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August 08, 2025, 06:29 PM
RogueJSK
Task Force Officers
TFOs are local/state LEOs who are attached to a federal LE task force on a part time or full time basis. The task forces are typically focused on a specific subset of LE operations, like drugs, guns, warrants, child porn, terrorism, etc.
In the case of the US Marshals Service, they use TFOs from the local LE agencies within their districts to assist on their regional fugitive task forces, working as a team to find fugitives and felons with outstanding warrants and apprehending them. They're sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals.
August 08, 2025, 06:32 PM
trapper189
I’m holding my breath waiting for all the retractions from the internet influencers that jumped the gun on the Air Force story.
August 08, 2025, 07:00 PM
Black92LX
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Originally posted by RogueJSK: Task Force Officers
TFOs are local/state LEOs who are attached to a federal LE task force on a part time or full time basis. The task forces are typically focused on a specific subset of LE operations, like drugs, guns, warrants, child porn, terrorism, etc.
In the case of the US Marshals Service, they use TFOs from the local LE agencies within their districts to assist on their regional fugitive task forces, working as a team to find fugitives and felons with outstanding warrants and apprehending them. They're sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals.
To add to that All TFOs regardless of Federal Agency they are assigned to are sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals and their credentials will list US Marshals and whatever alphabet soup agency they are attached to. You can always tell who actually pays attention to the creds when you show them as they get quite confused.
That could throw a kink in some things for TFOs whose local Agency only allows for carry of the 320.
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August 08, 2025, 07:01 PM
mrprovy
Long, but a good explination of the Sigs operation. I wonder how many of the overdramatic YouTubers did not raise the slide catch upon reassembly before doing their "scientific" testing.
To add to that All TFOs regardless of Federal Agency they are assigned to are sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals and their credentials will list US Marshals and whatever alphabet soup agency they are attached to. You can always tell who actually pays attention to the creds when you show them as they get quite confused. .
I spent 5 years with a task force. Two years part time and three years full time. Some of the best working conditions I’ve ever had. And yep, I too was sworn through the Marshal’s Service. And had to drive to USMS in Louisville every time I had to be resworn.
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August 08, 2025, 07:46 PM
Mars_Attacks
I wonder if I can mill more shelf onto the sear to get more engagement with the striker.
Or is the MIM part too fragile to do this without proper sintering.
A nice milled steel sear with a double height shelf would be nice.
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August 08, 2025, 07:56 PM
trapper189
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Originally posted by mrprovy: Long, but a good explination of the Sigs operation. I wonder how many of the overdramatic YouTubers did not raise the slide catch upon reassembly before doing their "scientific" testing.
It seems the “absolutely dangerous condition” can only happen with the P320 unloaded and since the P320 won’t accepted a magazine in this condition, then it cannot be loaded. Locking the slide back to allows a magazine to be inserted, but also removes the “absolutely dangerous condition”.
What’s “absolutely dangerous” here about an unloaded gun?
Also, isn’t this the thing Grayguns verified could be an issue if a 45/10mm takedown safety lever were to be installed in a 9mm FCU and the firearm was assemble without using the slide lock? Using the wrong takedown safety lever allows a 9mm magazine to be inserted with the slide closed, racking the slide chambers a round, and since the slide release isn’t touched, the gun is really in a dangerous condition at that point.
And Ben Stoeger posted this so I stopped holding my breath:
August 08, 2025, 07:56 PM
cslinger
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A nice milled steel sear with a double height shelf would be nice.
I’d imagine it would “defeat” the good trigger feel, no???
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August 08, 2025, 08:52 PM
mrprovy
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Originally posted by trapper189:
quote:
Originally posted by mrprovy: Long, but a good explination of the Sigs operation. I wonder how many of the overdramatic YouTubers did not raise the slide catch upon reassembly before doing their "scientific" testing.
It seems the “absolutely dangerous condition” can only happen with the P320 unloaded and since the P320 won’t accepted a magazine in this condition, then it cannot be loaded. Locking the slide back to allows a magazine to be inserted, but also removes the “absolutely dangerous condition”.
What’s “absolutely dangerous” here about an unloaded gun?
Also, isn’t this the thing Grayguns verified could be an issue if a 45/10mm takedown safety lever were to be installed in a 9mm FCU and the firearm was assemble without using the slide lock? Using the wrong takedown safety lever allows a 9mm magazine to be inserted with the slide closed, racking the slide chambers a round, and since the slide release isn’t touched, the gun is really in a dangerous condition at that point.
And Ben Stoeger posted this so I stopped holding my breath:
My take is that the gun is safe and the youtubers jumping on the anti-sig bandwagon have been running their "tests" before & without locking the slide back after disassembly. IDK about members here, but I ALWAYS lock the slide back after takedown and reassembly, then load the gun. The gun can't be loaded until the slide is locked back, so I'm even more skeptical about the YouTube "tests" that have been done. Magazines cannot be inserted until the slide is locked back (or at last the slide lock is pressed upwards), which is the standard way of loading any handgun.
To add to that All TFOs regardless of Federal Agency they are assigned to are sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals and their credentials will list US Marshals and whatever alphabet soup agency they are attached to. You can always tell who actually pays attention to the creds when you show them as they get quite confused. .
I spent 5 years with a task force. Two years part time and three years full time. Some of the best working conditions I’ve ever had. And yep, I too was sworn through the Marshal’s Service. And had to drive to USMS in Louisville every time I had to be resworn.
I did 5 years full time DEA TFO. Had a ton of fun. Going to put in for it again.
August 09, 2025, 01:50 AM
Ogie
"Magazines cannot be inserted until the slide is locked back (or at last the slide lock is pressed upwards), which is the standard way of loading any handgun."
I'm confused? I usually load a pistol by placing the magazine into the pistol and then racking the slide. You mean you can't do that with the p320? Also, I have never seen the method described above as the standard way of loading a handgun unless the pistol has gone to slide lock and you need to reload while at the range.
August 09, 2025, 02:44 AM
toivo
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Originally posted by Ogie: "Magazines cannot be inserted until the slide is locked back (or at last the slide lock is pressed upwards), which is the standard way of loading any handgun."
I'm confused? I usually load a pistol by placing the magazine into the pistol and then racking the slide. You mean you can't do that with the p320?
Of course you can. I do it all the time. I don't know what he's talking about.
August 09, 2025, 03:53 AM
92fstech
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Originally posted by toivo:
quote:
Originally posted by Ogie: "Magazines cannot be inserted until the slide is locked back (or at last the slide lock is pressed upwards), which is the standard way of loading any handgun."
I'm confused? I usually load a pistol by placing the magazine into the pistol and then racking the slide. You mean you can't do that with the p320?
Of course you can. I do it all the time. I don't know what he's talking about.
They're talking about after disassembly/reassembly. When the takedown lever is rotated down, the takedown safety lever protrudes in to the magwell and blocks the insertion of a mag (if there's a mag already in there, you can't rotate the takedown lever). After reassembly when the takedown lever has been rotated back into the "assembled" position, you either have to lock the slide to the rear or at least move the slide catch upward to release the takedown safety lever and allow it to move forward and clear the magwell.
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August 09, 2025, 05:35 AM
Black92LX
It is the internet so it must be true.
Glock ACUT with the COA models are going to stop being sold to civilians. Headline is a bit clickbait as I was expecting the article to read that the COA was now having similar issues and I think that is the point. Got a little worried as I put money down in one yesterday and pick it up Friday.
Glock COA Pistols Pulled from Civilian Market — Rumors Tie Move to P320 Troubles
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by Luke McCoy August 8, 2025 in Articles, Concealed Carry, News Reading Time: 2 mins read
Reports have surfaced indicating that Glock has indefinitely paused civilian-market sales of its COA-equipped pistols to reserve production capacity for military contracts. The affected models—including 9 mm variants outfitted with the Aimpoint COA optic via the new A-CUT mounting system—will no longer be available to the public until further notice.
Glockstore posted the following announcement in full:
BREAKING NEWS: WE’VE RECEIVED NEWS THAT ALL GLOCK COA MODELS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED FOR THE CIVILIAN MARKET INDEFINITELY TO FILL MILITARY ORDERS. WE DON’T KNOW IF THIS MEANS THE US MILITARY OR ELSEWHERE BUT HAVE HEARD RUMORS THIS COULD BE RELATED TO THE M17/P320. WE EXPECT THE LIMITED REMAINING SUPPLY TO GO VERY QUICKLY AND THAT NO NEW COA MODELS WILL HIT THE MARKET ANY TIME SOON.
The mention of the M17/P320 is notable given recent events. The U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command has paused use of the M18 pistol—part of the P320 family—after an airman’s death at F.E. Warren Air Force Base. While the investigation is ongoing, the pause reflects broader safety concerns that have also led some agencies to ban all P320 variants from service.
Industry speculation suggests these developments could be pushing military and law enforcement agencies to consider alternative platforms. Redirecting Glock COA production to fulfill those potential orders could explain the sudden halt in civilian availability.
I actually had one of these COA-equipped Glocks for a while and just sent it back to Glock last week. Now, with this news, I’m wishing I’d tried to buy it. I really liked it—out of the box with a factory-installed Aimpoint red dot that was rock-solid and reliable. Moves like this are a reminder of how quickly civilian access to advanced firearms technology can disappear when military demand ramps up. The COA’s integrated optic system is a nice convenience for defensive shooting, and while there are still plenty of other quality options out there, it was appealing to have a factory-ready setup like this available to the civilian market.
Interesting. I pick up mine on Friday
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