I would not be surprised if the MIM parts are sourced from India

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Originally posted by uvahawk:
Can anyone enlighten me why the airman had the pistol pointed in his direction after detaching his holster from his duty belt? BTW, if it is true that Sig sourced some of the key components from different vendors, was there a rigorous inspection process to ensure these components were in fact manufactured to specs?

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Originally posted by trapper189:
There’s only hearsay at this point about the circumstances contributing to the airman’s death.

Of the recently reported cases, I'm most skeptical of this one (as rumored).

A nice YouTube video that brings everything up to date with the P320 and also includes diagrams and visual aids as well:



While it sucks because I loved shooting my P320 when I had it, there's too many WTFs in the design going from the P250 to the P320 that makes me shake my head. I never went looking, but I had assumed they had used a plunger style firing pin block like everyone else did, not a spring and hook Rube Goldberg system to hold the striker in place.

I also had assumed that all of the events where the P320 would go off in someone's holster was just catching a burr or something in the holster as this gun is the equivalent of taking a 1911 or P226, cocking the hammer, and holstering it. But seeing just a tiny amount of trigger movement seems to deactivate the striker safety (and the manual safety doing nothing to stop the striker itself) is absurd.

I haven't been a huge fan of Ron Cohen, but something he has made clear is that he'll kill product lines and revamp them if something better comes along (like the history of the MCX), yet he never did anything about the P320 except make the P365 which "seems" to fix the problems with the P320? Seems weird.

Good video, worth watching

It's as if when designing the 365, they worked out all the problems and now know they will be replacing every FCG on the 320 series with a redesigned unit. That will most certainly bankrupt them and we are left with dangerous firearms.

I still can't get mine to malfunction, but I haven't let it get filthy beyond tolerances. I agree that a clogged up sear and stuck firing pin block will most certainly cause the issue.

I just have a habit of keeping my weapons clean and inspected for a reason.

I find the Glock's simple sear system superior as it has a generous engagement and also loads the striker with the trigger pull.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
It's as if when designing the 365, they worked out all the problems and now know they will be replacing every FCG on the 320 series with a redesigned unit. That will most certainly bankrupt them and we are left with dangerous firearms.

I still can't get mine to malfunction, but I haven't let it get filthy beyond tolerances. I agree that a clogged up sear and stuck firing pin block will most certainly cause the issue.

I just have a habit of keeping my weapons clean and inspected for a reason.

I find the Glock's simple sear system superior as it has a generous engagement and also loads the striker with the trigger pull.

the fact you think they will be replacing the fcu is comical. I guess you subscribe to every backyard YouTube expert. As gar as bankrupting them, you really have no clue about the financial inner working of the company.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BillyBonesNY:
I would not be surprised if the MIM parts are sourced from India
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Love when people don't have the facts so they simply make them up. One of the larger vendors of some MIM parts are located in the southeaster portion of the US. Not at all hard to root out that info....but facts only get in the way.

I want you to be courteous to your fellow members. You can say what you want to say without behaving this way.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
Ah! We’ve come full circle into the “weaponslights are dangerous” comments!

If I'm a BG, I know that there's meat near that light.
Somethin' to think about.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

the fact you think they will be replacing the fcu is comical. I guess you subscribe to every backyard YouTube expert. As gar as bankrupting them, you really have no clue about the financial inner working of the company.

I've got measurements from 18 P320 FCU's so far of all different versions and across the entire length of production.

14 of them are measurably outside of the tolerances from Sig's own drawings.

Only 4 of them were within spec.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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Originally posted by BillyBonesNY:
I would not be surprised if the MIM parts are sourced from India

Love when people don't have the facts so they simply make them up. One of the larger vendors of some MIM parts are located in the southeaster portion of the US. Not at all hard to root out that info....but facts only get in the way.

How is that making things up? When I've ordered Sig small parts, such as Short Reset Trigger kits, some of them came in bags that had "Made in United States" on them. Some had "Made in India."

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

the fact you think they will be replacing the fcu is comical. I guess you subscribe to every backyard YouTube expert. As gar as bankrupting them, you really have no clue about the financial inner working of the company.

What are you talking about? Please explain. You sound impaired.

Actually, straight from the Sig rep’s mouth, most of their MIM parts are sourced from Indo-MIM, which manufacturers both in India and USA. Hence the bags stating both “Made in India” and “Made in USA”

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
As gar as bankrupting them, you really have no clue about the financial inner working of the company.

You've said this several times now, but if you've provided specifics or clarification I've missed it. What revenue streams does Sig have that would enable them to survive a complete recall of the P320/M17/M18, which so far as I can tell is currently their flagship product? Are they really making enough on machine guns and markup on cheap Chinese optics to eat the whole platform?

I'm genuinely curious, and I hope you're right, because like it or not at this point I'm personally very heavily invested in their products and I'd rather not see them get orphaned like Remington did to my 870. I want to see a fix, not a lynching.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
I'd rather not see them get orphaned like Remington did to my 870. I want to see a fix, not a lynching.

I like these two statements, a lot.

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Originally posted by uvahawk:
Can anyone enlighten me why the airman had the pistol pointed in his direction after detaching his holster from his duty belt? BTW, if it is true that Sig sourced some of the key components from different vendors, was there a rigorous inspection process to ensure these components were in fact manufactured to specs?

If I am by myself and take a holstered weapon and put it on a table, there are about 340 degrees where the gun is not pointed at me.

If I get up to pee. Make a cup of coffee, blow my nose, I will most likely walk in front of that muzzle somewhere in those 340 degrees where the gun IS pointed. So is anyone else who might enter the room.

It’s commonly accepted that a firearm, secured in its holster, is absolutely safe. Otherwise, no one should carry a chambered handgun.

The appendix carry fans often talk about holstering their weapon and, as one unit, secure it in their waistband as THE safest way to holster appendix with a striker fired gun.

I’m a huge proponent of Appendix carry. With a P239 DAK or a revolver. I would not with anything cocked and locked or, cocked and unlocked.

US Patent Publication - 2025/0164203 A1

What a fascinating patent published a couple months ago by a guy who used to be an engineer at Sig Sauer, and who spent the past decade doing consulting work on firearms design and QC for an undisclosed client in New Hampshire.

The patent corrects what it describes as "an incomplete and unsafe design" by providing a manual safety with a sear block.

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Originally posted by Rusty_SWO:

The patent corrects what it describes as "an incomplete and unsafe design" by providing a manual safety with a sear block.

That’s very interesting. He filed for that patent over a year ago. He worked at Sig 2011-2016 it appears.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQpBXfnpdI

That patent for an improved safety system is extremely interesting. It could very well be a great solution. If retrofitting a manual safety is necessary to make the pistol “safe” then I think it just about completely destroys the P320’s viability as a general issue law enforcement duty pistol. If a manual safety is required for the gun to be safe when doing cop things in holsters then why not just carry a 1911/ 2011 and get an even better, shorter trigger? Regardless, it would be nice to see some sort of fix available for the folks that want to hang onto their P320 pistols.