WOW!!!!!!

Thank you for sharing your amazing collection with us. Those are absolutely beautiful!!!!!

Hey Q, I was just looking at a communication I had with the technical guy, Jens, at B&H Waffenhandel when I was asking about the differences in the Gen I, the Gen II and the Supermatch LDCs. He said another difference is that the finish on the Gen I was PVD and that the Gen II is blued, obviously talking about the black ones.

And, you mentioned the Sport take down lever not being on the Supermatch… Jens said there’s no hole in the LDC frame for it. Not sure if that means it requires an additional hole or that the hole is a different configuration.

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Originally posted by capp325:
Interesting comparison. The machining on the German model looks a lot crisper.

Machining on the German actually looks a bit crude in some areas compared to the American. See the lower grip screw bushing areas of the frames, you might give a look at the sides of thd barrel hooks and, sides of the feed ramp areas. Inside the German slide shows dull cutter tip but the American slide interior is not shown. The quality of those barrel hook features on the German look much like a tough but gummy finish acquired by again, dull cutters.

Q, they are all beautiful pistols. I do like the grip profile on the German better as its more like a P226. I love the original Sig trigger profile better than any race gun triggers or skeleton triggers. Some beautiful Sigs right there.

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Originally posted by Tooky13:
Hey Q, I was just looking at a communication I had with the technical guy, Jens, at B&H Waffenhandel when I was asking about the differences in the Gen I, the Gen II and the Supermatch LDCs. He said another difference is that the finish on the Gen I was PVD and that the Gen II is blued, obviously talking about the black ones.

And, you mentioned the Sport take down lever not being on the Supermatch… Jens said there’s no hole in the LDC frame for it. Not sure if that means it requires an additional hole or that the hole is a different configuration.

Thanks, Tooky13.
He is talking about the built-in "knob" on the some of the X-gun frames that functions to catch the Sport takedown lever's slot (see pic below). However, the Sport takedown lever does not require that knob on the frame at all. The knob is good to have but is not necessary. See what I did below, taking out the takedown lever from my X5 Open and put it on the LDC. So, you can always buy that part (when they're available) and put it on your LDC to make it complete.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Tooky13:

And, you mentioned the Sport take down lever not being on the Supermatch… Jens said there’s no hole in the LDC frame for it. Not sure if that means it requires an additional hole or that the hole is a different configuration.

Thanks, Tooky13.
He is talking about the built-in "knob" on the some of the X-gun frames that functions to catch the Sport takedown lever's slot (see pic below). However, the Sport takedown lever does not require that knob on the frame at all. The knob is good to have but is not necessary. See what I did below, taking out the takedown lever from my X5 Open and put it on the LDC. So, you can always buy that part (when they're available) and put it on your LDC to make it complete.

OK, I see what you mean. So the main mounting hole is identical, and the LDC doesn't have the peg. I guess Jens must have meant there's no hole to install the peg. I wonder if the peg is there to keep the lever from over-rotating and interfering with the slide. Seeing you've installed it on an LDC, will the lever go past horizontal and possibly snag on the notch in the slide?

Edit: On second look, the slide only moves towards the back while functioning, so that shouldn't be an issue. Hmmm, I wonder why the peg is needed?

The Sport takedown lever is just an oversize fancy lever. Maybe it's good for those who like to rest their forward thumb there. Rotation wise, it is exactly like the regular lever. Just like the regular one, you can push it up momentarily, but it springs right back to horizontal. Is the peg absolutely needed? No, but I guess the Mastershop feels like it's an insurance against pushing the lever upward.

It's as if Sig Germany is a whole different company than New Hampshire. Dont know how that works but the talent of the Master Shop looks alive and well. One cant help but notice they've no issues when it comes to producing fine pistols from stainless steel. New Hampshire seems to be destined to make frames from aluminum or polymers. Curious what is the unloaded weight of one of these guns, mag included ?

Guess I've been out of it for a while. I didn't know there was such a thing as an "E3" grip. Are these just 2-piece panels in the E2 profile, as opposed to the standard 226 profile?

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Curious what is the unloaded weight of one of these guns, mag included ?

43.3 oz with empty mag
50.7 oz with loaded 17-rounder
Interestingly, the LDC is only half an oz heavier than the non-LDC all stainless P226 (42.8 oz).

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Originally posted by JAFO:
Guess I've been out of it for a while. I didn't know there was such a thing as an "E3" grip. Are these just 2-piece panels in the E2 profile, as opposed to the standard 226 profile?

Not sure, but I think the E3 nomenclature was just a made up term by us fans out here. 2-panel grips, same texture as the E2, but the profile is different, as you can see from the pics. The upper half of the E2 back strap curves more inward, resulting in the shorter reach to the trigger. The E3 profile is more in line with the typical 2-piece plastic grips of the P226.

Thank you 12131. They are a stout little pistol for sure. I like the black/blue models as much as the stainless finish. I can imagine shooting the 9mm in them is pretty light of recoil.

Nice guns, especially the Germans. Those "E3" panels look like they would be great on ALL P226s; even though I like the texture of the E² grip I've not been all that fond of its pronounced backstrap palm swell in P226 form. It would be neat if those screw-on panels were available here in the U.S. for those of us who dislike the E² one-piece.

Judging aesthetics--since I don't have the opportunity to actually shoot these--I like and generally prefer how surface edges are better defined on the German guns, not eased and/or softened like the NH 'DE' frames appear to be (the area around the decocker, for example). Makes the overall lines of a P226 look crisp and well defined, not like someone started on the road to doing an 'SAS' but changed their mind 1/20th of the way through. The German edges might show damage more with a hard impact but at least when new it looks 'sharper' (both figuratively and literally) and its bold character is more appealing to my eye.

Also on the American guns, it looks as if the two frames were machined differently (right side, surface transition near the trigger pin). Maybe it's just an photographic illusion but it seems like the Nitron frame appears to have more of a 'step' similar to the German frames, whereas the natural finish NH frame looks a lot more eased and sloped in that transition. If this is so I would've thought that the machining should've been more consistent even if the final finish is different.

Also interesting are the two differing ways of handling the 'shoulder' at the top thickened edges of the frames, where the top of the grip panels come to rest/end. Here I like how the NH frames cut that thickened area short to try to end it where the grip panel ends (more successfully concealing on the right side than the left, where above the decocker lever there's a weird 'blip' of extended thickness that seems like it could've been shortened and not stop as if in the middle of no-man's land, but I confess to being nitpicky). Those little details to me looks visually cleaner than how the MasterShop guns handle the same situation.

Indeed these are real good-looking guns regardless of the nitpicks. The full dust cover look has always been an appealing aesthetic to me on any semi-auto; just makes a gun look more bad-ass.

And more like a Glock.

100% soggy. Glad I'm not the only one kinda nit picky about certain features on guns like these. They still stack up as some of the finest darn P226 pistols one could have. That darn SL gun is just as nice. If I owned a LDC model, that thing would never escape a trip to the range. Rock on 12131, great guns.