It's possible he meant that they made a bad firearms decision by choosing to switch away from the Sig Pro.

I agree that they're excellent pistols, and highly underrated.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
Just ask Plaxico Burress.

Why would we ask a pharmaceutical company about handguns?

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I am aware of an incident where a seatbelt buckle got into a left-handed officer's Safariland 6360 light bearing holster, snagged the trigger and caused it to discharge when the officer got up.

Similar incidents involving something in the trigger guard have happened countless times with Glocks, and at least once even with a DAK SIG.

Agreed. Not saying it's "because" it was a 320. In the seatbelt incident, I suspect any gun without a manual safety could have had that happen. The amount of force exerted and resistance offered by the belt would overcome any trigger weight. SLS hood might have saved it on a hammer fired gun.

Yep. Exactly so, fellas.

Maybe we'll see them on the CPO market? That'd be a nice outcome from this. The only thing I like better than a 320 is a highly affordable 320.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
It's possible he meant that they made a bad firearms decision by choosing to switch away from the Sig Pro.

I agree that they're excellent pistols, and highly underrated.

The Sig Pro is a very good pistol, and yes underrated for sure.

Even though it was an early polymer gun, it never gained any traction because it was still a DA/SA gun when the striker guns were becoming all the rage.

Pretty much the same story with the P250, no one really cared about modularity, and by then very few wanted hammer guns.

IMO Sig probably would have done better by using the 2022 platform and built a striker version of it. Sig stuck with their traditional design anyway for the 320.

I still think modularity isn't a big deal, especially considering the cost of the kits.

A striker fired Pro would have been cool. Plus you still had the different grip panels. I also think the Sig traditionalists would have been more accepting of a striker 2022. At least the 2022 felt more like a P series gun than the 320's do.


TXPO

All my P320's have undergone grip module changes, especially with improvements such as the various X-grip modules, and in particular the new TXG.

The ability to move the Subcompact and the compact to the x-compact grip is nice.

I like the modularity.

If you are a politician, and police chiefs certainly are in that group, taking action even if it solves a problem that never existed gets you attention and approval from your fellow bureaucrats. This type of pandering is unfortunate but constantly practiced.

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Maybe we'll see them on the CPO market? That'd be a nice outcome from this. The only thing I like better than a 320 is a highly affordable 320.

Probably.. There have been large waves of CPO 320s out there that are mostly low round count LE trades where Sig sent the departments new guns and took the old back instead of waiting for the upgrade. The old guns were then upgraded and released to the CPO channel.

Right now most of the ones I see out there are .40

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Originally posted by pointman73:

Just to show how SEPTA uppers make bad firearms decisions, they used to carry the SIG Pros.

Sig Pros are very under rated. France only ordered about a quarter of a million of them.

I don't know of the details of this specific incident, but I wouldn't dismiss the initial report out of hand. Guns are mechanical devices and mechanical devices CAN have design flaws that compromise safety and CAN have malfunctions that lead to the gun going off when you didn't want it to.

Search on the Internet the term "Baltimore County police, FNS pistol" and you'll find plenty of news reports detailing the discharge of an officer's holstered pistol while both of the officer's hands were full of records or paperwork. The officer was on duty at a police station when the incident occured. Plenty of witnesses, too: no finger near the trigger. So, yes it can happen.

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Maybe a really long......long hangfire?

Maybe it's a training issue, wonder how often the agency gets to the range and reviews safe handling, even while the weapon is holstered?

The answer may be not going to glock but a 4inch DAO revolver, without a rounded hammer 64-NY1 might be better.

Sounds like they just wanted an excuse to go to something else

I call bullshit. I wonder if they gave the SIG engineers a chance to looks at the gun and holster? Would like to know SIG's take on this incident. I suspect the guy was fiddling with his gun when this happened.

SIG's response, at least to a local radio report:

"The decision by WHYY's (NPR-Philadelphia) to recycle a disproven and agenda-driven story while omitting and misrepresenting key facts speaks volumes of their true politics and what they think of their audience. The SIG Sauer P320 is one of the most innovative and sought-after pistols in the firearms market, and the pistol of choice for all branches of the United States Military (M17/M18), along with numerous law enforcement agencies and other military units worldwide.

Credible experts, including media, from inside and outside the firearm industry have answered any questions with regards to the P320, and determined, conclusively the safety of the P320 pistol. Further, it has been determined that SIG Sauer responded quickly and comprehensively to a matter that focused on the negligent handling of a firearm - not a problem with the design or function of the pistol, which has always exceeded all safety standards.

Still, two years ago SIG Sauer announced a free P320 upgrade to its consumers. The upgrade took the safety of the SIG Sauer P320 pistol to an unprecedented level of safety, one far beyond existing standards of other pistols in the market today. SIG Sauer stands by this decision, and continues to recommend that anyone who had not participated in this upgrade should do so. It is safe to say this is one of the most tested and proven firearms in history.

As for the report of an unintended discharge involving the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA), it is premature to report anything as fact during an ongoing investigation, but here is what we know: SEPTA sent the P320 in question to the Philadelphia Police Department's Firearms Forensics Unit and they determined the pistol and its safeties were functioning as designed. It is not clear at this time whether this unintended discharge was negligent handling or accidental."

Couldn't find it on SIG's website; this is from TFB at http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...19/09/18/septa-p320/

I'm reminded of why we see the skeletonized hammer on the P6.

Off topic, but.....

I have always wondered if the choice of the SEPTA system's acronym so close to "Septic system" was intentional, unintentional or an undetected attempt at humor.

I agree with the hokum guys. The chief wanted Glocks plain and simple and cooked up an excuse to get them.
It is possible for a Glock to go off by itself if a certain amount of debris is lodged in the right place. I have discussed this with a friend of mine, who is a real expert on them.
Now that being said the picture shows a Sig without a thumb safety. So which Sig did they have - one with the thumb safety or without.
I do not use any polymers that do not have a safety or at least are da sa pistols. That limits me to the Sig 320 with thumb safety, the HK P 2000, the Walther P 99 and the 1911 - all fine pistols.
I have bid adios to my Glocks after a police officer here killed his wife with one while taking it apart to clean it ( you have to pull the trigger to field strip a Glock). Tragic accident.

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SIG's response, at least to a local radio report:

"The decision by WHYY's (NPR-Philadelphia) to recycle a disproven and agenda-driven story while omitting and misrepresenting key facts speaks volumes of their true politics and what they think of their audience.

I'm not surprised one bit.

WHYY is about as stupid-left as they come.