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RECALL NOTICE: Walther CCP Being Recalled Due To Drop Safety Issues

Walther has issued a recall of the Walther CCP pistols because of what they call a potential condition in the CCP that can cause the firearm to discharge regardless of the manual safety being engaged or disengaged. Walther has issued a voluntary recall as a result and will be upgrading all affected CCPs in order to remove the risk of a drop-fire.


Walther asks CCP owners to not load or fire their CCP and contact them immediately to arrange for the upgrade to be done to your gun free of charge.

Full article: RECALL NOTICE: Walther CCP Being Recalled Due To Drop Safety Issues

While it's never good to laugh at a firearm that has a serious safety defect, in my mind it's not surprising and seemingly fitting that this Charlie Foxtrot would be with the CCP. Despite its noble attempt at addressing human ergonomics, from a build quality standpoint it's a design that invokes the feeling of low budget and chintzy since the first time I handled one, much in the same way that their PK380 and P22 does. And then there's its awful field strip and reassembly process, one that rivals the hassle and complication of a pre-MkIV Ruger Standard 22LR.

If an ergonomic single-stack 8mm Walther is what a person wants, the PPS M2 is the only solution worthy of the Walther name and brand.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
If an ergonomic single-stack 8mm Walther is what a person wants, the PPS M2 is the only solution worthy of the Walther name and brand.

Yeah, well... about that: Turns out not so much

PPS M2 Barrel Peened near feed ramp? Walther's response: "This won't cause a problem."

PPQ M2 45 with Pitted Barrel - Walthers Response: It shouldn't cause issues. Reports of PPS M2 barrels affected, too.

Dry Fire PPS? (Further down-thread: "...use snap caps or risk breaking your striker guide by prolonged dry firing of the Walther PPS.") Walther's claim: "It's ok to dry-fire a PPS M2."

I no longer recommend buying any current-production Walther product. The above is why my latest acquisition was a P320, rather than a PPQ m2.

Wow that is too bad about Walther. Certainly not the way to inspire confidence in the Walther brand.

Glad I got my original version PPS a couple years ago. It is one sweet shooter. Original new 9MM PPS is very difficult to find any more.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Wow that is too bad about Walther. Certainly not the way to inspire confidence in the Walther brand.

Glad I got my original version PPS a couple years ago. It is one sweet shooter. Original new 9MM PPS is very difficult to find any more.

I own a 40SW cal and a 9 mm cal PPS M1.
I just got the 9mm back from being treated with Ion Bond, and will assemble it today.

While many like the M2, it is very nice, I much prefer the M1.

Someday, I may buy a M1 PPQ, or a PPQ 22lr model.

I really like my PPS M2. It so far has not exhibited any of the known possible problems. But I certainly will not be buying any more Walthers.

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Wow that is too bad about Walther. Certainly not the way to inspire confidence in the Walther brand.

Glad I got my original version PPS a couple years ago. It is one sweet shooter. Original new 9MM PPS is very difficult to find any more.

I own a 40SW cal and a 9 mm cal PPS M1.
I just got the 9mm back from being treated with Ion Bond, and will assemble it today.

While many like the M2, it is very nice, I much prefer the M1.

Someday, I may buy a M1 PPQ, or a PPQ 22lr model.

Sweet on getting the Ion Bond!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I really like my PPS M2. It so far has not exhibited any of the known possible problems. But I certainly will not be buying any more Walthers.

I have reading that a lot. They need to take the barrel pitting issue seriously and get it resolved. The whole " that is normal and does not affect anything" line is not acceptable. No one wants to see their barrel look like that even if it shoots one inch groups at 25 yards.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:The whole " that is normal and does not affect anything" line is not acceptable.

Wow.

Never have owned a Walther but with those sorts of responses I don't intend to. I guess that is a normal response and shouldn't effect anything...

No Walther for me .

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:The whole " that is normal and does not affect anything" line is not acceptable.

Wow.

Never have owned a Walther but with those sorts of responses I don't intend to. I guess that is a normal response and shouldn't effect anything...

Last I read Walther is saying that there is a protective coating on the bore and that coating is what is showing the "pitting/imperfections" and not the barrel itself. Whatever it is, it does not look good when inspecting the bore after cleaning and more than a few pictures have been posted. The ULM made P99/PPQ/PPS are really sweet guns and I am sure glad I own a PPQ. Mine is almost 5 years old and has been perfect. Too bad Walther has not been more proactive about getting this resolved. They have switched to polygonal barrels and that is when this issue was noticed.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Last I read Walther is saying that there is a protective coating on the bore and that coating is what is showing the "pitting/imperfections" and not the barrel itself.

That "protective coating" is nitriding. It's not a "protective coating" but a surface treatment that's meant to harden the treated surface. When done right, a polished, nitrided surface is harder and and slicker than chrome, and will never flake, because it's a surface treatment, not a plating.

The claim that treatment degrading won't harm the barrel seems incorrect, to me. That nitride treatment is what gives the inside surface of the barrel hardness. And, I would note, corrosion resistance.

There is something flawed with the steel they're using, the nitriding process, or both. This should not happen. IMO it is a problem, notwithstanding Walther's insistence to the contrary.

Nothing but good things to say about my PPS M2. Great shooter

Walther never had these issues, back before they started turning out the equivalent of disposable BIC lighters.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Walther never had these issues, back before they started turning out the equivalent of disposable BIC lighters.

About the time they were acquired by the toy gun company, Umarex, perhaps?

Yeah, it's a puzzler, ain't it?

Unbeknownst to me, my DIL wanted a pistol. My (eldest) son wanted her to have a 9mm, thumb safety and laser. The CCP met the requirements. He thought the recoil piston would help her enjoy shooting. He asked me to sight/break it in. Horrible trigger, impossible re-assembly. My hand released the mag after 5-6 shots EVERY TIME! I tried to polish the innards some, but it did not help. When I gave it back, I had him try to replace the slide while reading the instruction sheet. After about 5 minutes of cussing, he said he won't take the slide off again. Now this recall. Just sad.

The CCP is the biggest POS I have had the misfortune to buy. I am hard pressed to think of anything, not just guns, that I spent decent money on that has been a bigger disappointment.

So the Umarex malaise is worse than I presumed. I had erroneously thought that the PPQ 45 barrel issues were only with the early guns. Disappointing to read otherwise, that recent guns are still showing the same kind of pitting wear. And to hear that other models are also seeing the same problems; whether it's due to the steel or the machining or other factors it's not good in any case, especially given how crowded the marketplace is these days.

Probably a good thing that we don't many Walther pistols in inventory right now. Cancelling or cutting back our order can still happen.