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Originally posted by 12131:
Realizing that some are classic, and others are wildly popular, but these are my no buy:

1- The P230/232 - Clearly classic SIGs, but I've never liked the .380.
2- The P320 - Obviously SIG's latest and greatest hyped gun. But, after fondling them, and shot the "X-Five" , I was totally underwhelmed.
3- The "1911"- A 1911 with a long external extractor? NOPE!
4- Any long external extractor SIGs - To me, a SIG just doesn't look right with this thing on. Yes, purely cosmetic, but I do care. That's why my M11A1s are gone.
5- The P238 and P938 - Never been a fan of the Colt Mustang types.


What are your no buy SIGs?

Your list pretty much sums it up for me with the addition of the 239. I just don't like the top heaviness and thin grip.

A mosquito...quite befitting name as it is annoying as a mosquito in the number of time it jams. My buddy had one and insist I shoot it...could not get through a mag without multiple malfunction...how there is not a recall....

And the Sig P226 SAO Legion. I was very excited when this was announced. When a local range had a Sig Demo day, I dropped everything to go shoot that amd the P320. Nice flat trigger. Shot it and glad I didnt buy it. It was nice but the accuracy was very disappointing. Compared to a CZ Shadow Target, I would buy another CZ.

I am happy to own just about any Sig! Whether I would buy any Sig other than the traditional P-series is another question. However, I must confess that I own examples of each of those enumerated by 12131.

The new 320. I fondled one a few times and it kinda piqued my interest but I got to shoot a friend's and like Q, I was underwhelmed.
Never shot a mosquito but from what I've read, I'm not missing anything. I'll stick with my Ruger.
I genuinely liked my 938 and only had problems with WWB ammunition. Just out grew it finally.

I am a fan of the P320 - I think it's the future of firearms, honestly. They're practical and given the price point and capability, it's hard to imagine that the classic sigs will be anything other than a niche product. Given the cost to build those nowadays, i have to assume there is an expiration date on that design...even though I prefer it myself. The classic sigs have an emotional appeal that the new plastic guns simply do not. I carry a P938 and for some reason the long extractors on the 1911s dont bother me. Not sure why. And i actually do like the sig profile slides on the sig 1911s (though I only have one 1911 and it's a Sig w/ the traditional slide profile).

Anyway, my no buy list would be:

-P224 (stupid gun)
-Long extractor P series (ugly)
-P250
-Mosquito (not a sig)
-Platinum/Diamond finish (way over the top)
-DAO/DAK
-Elite Dark pistols (rear sight!)

i'm pretty well on board with soggy_spinout's list except the 1911s and the 938s

The P230/232 for me as well. They look like nice guns but for me are dramatically overfed for a .380. If - big if - I ever buy a .380, it'll be one of the micro guns for backup use or deep concealment. The only fullsize/compact size I'd buy would be one of the classic Berettas, because they just look sexy to me with a can on them.

I'll avoid their rifles except for the Classic 550-series if I start collecting, and maybe some SBR suppressed MCX/MPX action. If I stay out of tax stamps, there's nothing their long arms do for me that less expensive quality milspec AR platforms can't already accomplish at a lower price point and with greater parts availability.

With the availability of the P220 Legion, I'll probably never buy another P-series pistol that doesn't have those medallions on the grips. Especially with prices coming down I'd rather spend an extra 10% for the Legion goodness.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Realizing that some are classic, and others are wildly popular, but these are my no buy:

1- The P230/232 - Clearly classic SIGs, but I've never liked the .380.
2- The P320 - Obviously SIG's latest and greatest hyped gun. But, after fondling them, and shot the "X-Five" , I was totally underwhelmed.
3- The "1911"- A 1911 with a long external extractor? NOPE!
4- Any long external extractor SIGs - To me, a SIG just doesn't look right with this thing on. Yes, purely cosmetic, but I do care. That's why my M11A1s are gone.
5- The P238 and P938 - Never been a fan of the Colt Mustang types.


What are your no buy SIGs?

These, and the P250, and the Mosquito, or any of their US made rifles. I'll also spew some heresy and say I have zero interest in a P210. Simply doesn't twist my nuts.

That said, your qualifier for #1 isn't true for me, I don't mind .380 and own a old Colt 1908 and a G42, but the P230/232 is big for what it is and is known for slide/hammer bite, and I've got big mitts that get chewed by everything known for slide/hammer bite and then some.

I'll also add the P224. I was a devout P229 fan when these were announced and even then, I thought it was a half-baked idea. Brand "G" does this concept better.

Any alloy or striker fired pistol. Don't want any more 1911's but that Sig 357 one I bought is OK.

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What are your no buy SIGs?

I will never buy anything made of plastic.
I have the 1911s I want and they all wear a Pony.
The P224 is too damned small for my tastes and hands.
The P239 just doesn't work for me aesthetically.

The P225-A1 is okay but I am content to just keep my original P225.

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, i have to assume there is an expiration date on that design.

Heresy.

Not a 1911 fan so I guess none of those. Had a P226 in .40 and sold it, didn't like the feel of it as much as my P228 or P229s. So I guess I might buy one in 9mm with the classic folded slide and no rail just to have, but probably not. If I could find one in factory nickel I'd be more likely to give it another shot. I also had a P290 and sold it, didn't like it at all, wouldn't buy another. Would consider a P230/2, but not actively looking. Have a P320 in .40, its ok, would probably not buy another. Not too many other models I am interested in enough to buy.

I really like my P228s, P229s, P239 and P225, although I have to admit I have not shot the P225 yet. Would probably only buy another of these if I could find them in factory nickel, otherwise I am all set for Sigs.

Any 1911 based gun. I'm allergic to 1911s. Little ones, big ones, they're all things I stay away from. So many superior choices out there in semiautos.

Non-DAK DAO guns. I have a NYPD P226 trade in that had that trigger set up and I converted it to DA/SA.

I have a .40 229 DAK, but I'm done with .40, and it will be sold soon. Pretty gun, but I'm going to all 9mm and .45ACP.

I don't care about Sig rifles at all really, so many other choices out there.

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Originally posted by rbmcmjr:

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What are your no buy SIGs?

I will never buy anything made of plastic.
I have the 1911s I want and they all wear a Pony.
The P224 is too damned small for my tastes and hands.
The P239 just doesn't work for me aesthetically.

The P225-A1 is okay but I am content to just keep my original P225.

Try a 2022 and see if you change your mind. IMO, the triple serial number French over run 2022 is the best one on the market.

I can't find a use for the P290 or P224.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Realizing that some are classic, and others are wildly popular, but these are my no buy:

1- The P230/232 - Clearly classic SIGs, but I've never liked the .380.

Don't let a bad caliber get in the way of classic lines. Both mine are in 7,65B

 
Would never buy:
SPxxxx models
DAO models
1911 (to me, a 1911 is a Colt and Don Williams)

Have owned but never again:
P23x bites me badly
DAK
 

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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, i have to assume there is an expiration date on that design.

Heresy.

im not saying I want that; but i think the beancounters will eventually have their way. Or perhaps the classic Sig design will be found only in the mastershop guns, or something like that. It's always about the money. Even now, my local guy is stocking only plastic guns; his customers don't see why you'd spend a lot more on a 226/229 when the 320 does the job.

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Originally posted by 12131:
3- The "1911"- A 1911 with a long external extractor? NOPE!
4- Any long external extractor SIGs - To me, a SIG just doesn't look right with this thing on. Yes, purely cosmetic, but I do care. That's why my M11A1s are gone.

These are my Never Buys also, along with the Mosquito.

I have no interest in a Sig 1911; I have shot one and was completely underwhelmed compared to my Les Baer Premier II and Wilson CQB. There are other 1911s I'd rather purchase than a Sig. And I also will not purchase a long extractor Sig, they look funky.

I won't slam the door shut on the 320 or the 230, just don't have an interest in them currently.

P320 - owned two and just couldn't get them to work for me. The X5 is tempting though.

938 - oddly it was too small for my hands. Found it difficult to manipulate.

290rs - see above plus the trigger broke way to far back

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Originally posted by 12131:
What are your no buy SIGs?

My list, which also includes some of yours and other's thoughts that I'll echo:

1). P238 and P938 - Micro 1911's are pointless to me. I've got way to many years of muscle memory with Classic P Series pistols to deal with a stupid, tiny safety in an "O.S." moment. If I want to carry a .380, I'll go with the P230...it's pull & shoot and balls accurate.
2). Full size P250 pistols. There's no sense in them in a world that has both P226's and SP2340's. The subcompact? Maybe a decent waistband stuffer since a chance of an AD caused by clothing is less a probability than with the poly-striker P320 of the same size.
3). Yeah, any 'Rainbow Brite' piece never need darken my door.
4). Most any other 'theme' weapon, i.e. Spartan, 5.11, Gadsden Flag, Bill Hicks Zombie, Copperhead custom, etc. I can't use a silly weapon.
5). The P224. Really, what can it do that a P239 can't? So it might have one or two more rounds depending on caliber, its ergonomics are daft.
6). The P225-A1. Why? Nostalgia, I guess? When you can get the original P225 for less in many cases? Using that thinking, if I wanted 'retro', why would I buy a brand new Camaro Z/28 for $75K when I could get a very nice restored '69 Z/28 for $50K? Makes no sense if retro is what you're going for to begin with. If not, what can it do that a P239 can't, and in more powerful calibers?

I probably forgot a few, but those are one's that, for their own obvious tragic reasons, stick in my head....