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First Look: Federal Premium .22 LR Punch Defense Ammo

by SI Staff - Thursday, April 15, 2021

While the merits of the .22 LR for personal defense are often debated, there's a new load from Federal Premium that's specifically designed to make the .22 LR a viable defensive round choice.

“Self-defense isn’t one size fits all. So, whether shooters want to carry a .22 LR handgun as a backup gun, do not feel comfortable with centerfire pistols, or simply want to get more versatility from a rimfire handgun,” said Federal’s Rimfire Product Manager, Dan Compton, “Punch makes the .22 LR cartridge a viable defensive choice for the first time ever.”

The Punch .22 LR load features a 29-grain nickel-plated lead-core bullet that travels at maximum velocities (1,070 fps from a 2-inch barrel) for deep penetration from short-barreled handguns. Somewhat of a departure from standard .22 projectile designs, the Punch bullet features a flat nose and heavy jacket around a lead core, thus increasing velocity and minimizing expansion so as to increase penetration depth.

“We’ve talked about making a .22 LR defensive load for some time. We finally decided that people are already carrying .22 LRs, so we might as well build a .22 bullet optimized for protection,” said Compton. “After much research, we decided that for a .22 LR defense bullet, penetration was more important than expansion.”
 
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I'd be interested to see how much penetration they're able to achieve in standard defensive ballistics testing (into ballistic gel, through intermediate barriers like denim, etc.).

Edit: Found this with a little digging...
https://www.federalpremium.com...hrowing-punches.html

Looks like in Federal's testing, .22 Punch manages a bit over the minimum recommended 12 inches of penetration, in bare ballistic gelatin. They didn't test it through any intermediate barriers or clothing.

Not quite as good as .32 ACP (with FMJs), which I consider to be quite a marginal defensive caliber anyway. But better than .25 ACP.

So not my first choice, but better than harsh words and a sharp stick. Which seems to be what they're going for. Something like: "If some people out there are going to be trying to defend themselves with a .22 anyway, we might as well give them the best chance with it that we can."
 
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Is there any for sale anywhere?



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Is there any for sale anywhere?


Federal shows it at $10/box of 50 but "currently unavailable."

https://www.federalpremium.com...mfire/11-PD22L1.html
 
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I'd guess there is some available, somewhere, if the price is high enough. Against my better judgement, I recently sold off some Federal 550s. Well, that and 3 boxes of .45-70s. It was to a friend, and I didn't get enough to embarrass me. That said, I'd sell more to even a non-friend if the sales price was enough. The stated price is already beyond any reason, at retail. What normally happens is an insider picks off the first shipment or two. You know the guys, the ones standing outside Wally world at opening.

In today's world, if you introduce any new product you've got to ship enough to overwhelm he profiteers and hoarders. A better question will be if the retailers want to sell their allotment to a "friend" or not. It really does make a quick and easy profit to just dump them to your brother or whatever and be done with it.

Ammo used to be like TP, where you could order up as much as you wanted and it would all be there the next delivery. Part of the anti gun thing might be to just make ammo the bad thing. I'd think the black youfs in the hood will be suffering more than us gun nuts. Especially those of us with reps as hoarders.

On a side note, it'd be interesting to hear from some beat cops about what their seeing in guns they've shaken down from street criminals. Those kids all have full magazines and cylinders of the same brand ammo? How about it, Chongo?


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What caliber is a #2 pencil?


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What caliber is a #2 pencil?


Roughly .28 caliber.

Caliber is the diameter of a projectile expressed in hundredths of an inch. A standard hexagonal #2 pencil is approximately 7mm in diameter. 7mm is 0.27559 inch.
 
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I have a few boxes in 380 acp heading my way fro Federal.
 
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I picked up a couple boxes in 9mm last week. I have never used it before but I'm guessing it won't give me any problems as it's quality ammo.

Maybe I'll throw an old hoodie on a pork shoulder and see what kind of penetration I get. I need to make some pulled pork anyhow. Cool


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Federal site has 9mm Punch and .380 punch available, limit two boxes each. Just ordered with shipping & tax $102.00, figured I’d give it a shot. They also had 9mm target FMJ in boxes of 50 available for those looking.





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A much bigger problem than power or bullet design with .22LR is reliability of ignition. Even with good brands you get more duds than with centerfire. Neither will do any good if the cartridge doesn't fire to start with.
 
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A much bigger problem than power or bullet design with .22LR is reliability of ignition. Even with good brands you get more duds than with centerfire. Neither will do any good if the cartridge doesn't fire to start with.


That's a very valid point.

My personal experience says that it's not as big a problem with .22WMR though, so perhaps that's a more viable alternative. .22WMR certainly has the penetration.
 
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My carry gun is a Ruger SR-22 loaded with CCI Stingers. I hope I will soon find some Federal
 
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Was available on the federal site this morning, now not available. Bought 500 rounds to try out. You just need to check the site periodically as comes up for short windows, just randomly checked this AM and was available. Sold out within 10 minutes of my order.





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Bought 500 rounds this morning at about 8:00 AM
 
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Just ordered six boxes.
 
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