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Just to be clear, it’s still a crap shoot.
One or two day approvals are in no way guaranteed, and likely still the exception rather than the rule.

Definitely. My LGS has seen a surge in silencer purchases over the last two weeks. They have a disclaimer that they have the buyer read and sign, stating exactly that. These are buyers who were discouraged by the wait, are buying now because of the short wait phenomenon, and might be a bit unreasonably pissed if the wait turns out longer than they thought it ought to be.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Just to be clear, it’s still a crap shoot. One or two day approvals are in no way guaranteed, and likely still the exception rather than the rule. Certified an individual F4 two weeks ago, and nothing. Never had an NICS denial or issue for Title 1 guns or NFA. In fact, just got a batch approval of 3 items (varying age between 2 months and 1 year) just three days before submitting the new F4.

But, have you been always been delayed when buying a gun?

I believe that this fast approval is predictable. I think that if you’re not getting it back within a couple of days, you should probably get yourself a UPIN.

I spoke with someone yesterday who had just been to a gun show. There was an ATF booth there. The person at the booth said the average wait time right now is 90 days; up from 30 days, no doubt due to the recent influx of submissions. I think it's quite optimistic to think that anyone who's not approved in mere days is a case that necessitates a UPIN.

I'll inquire at the LGS, in a week or so, to see how many of their recent submissions have come back.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Just to be clear, it’s still a crap shoot. One or two day approvals are in no way guaranteed, and likely still the exception rather than the rule. Certified an individual F4 two weeks ago, and nothing. Never had an NICS denial or issue for Title 1 guns or NFA. In fact, just got a batch approval of 3 items (varying age between 2 months and 1 year) just three days before submitting the new F4.

But, have you been always been delayed when buying a gun?

I believe that this fast approval is predictable. I think that if you’re not getting it back within a couple of days, you should probably get yourself a UPIN.

I have never been delayed either. Said I’ve never had any issue. I’m not going to get a UPIN. Absolutely no reason to, and don’t think it will make a bit of difference in approval time. Don’t believe it’s as predictable as you think.

You can lead a horse to water…….

In my (limited and second-hand) experience, getting a UPIN can be quite tricky. A good friend of mine has been trying to get one for over a year. He went through a not-insignificant rigmarole to sort out one thing, only to find out they wouldn't issue him a UPIN until he sorted out some other thing, from decades ago, when he was in the military. He submitted a request for his military criminal records, and they say there are none. So, he now has no way to satisfy the UPIN folks' demands.

I should add that he is not a prohibited person; he can legally buy and possess firearms. He has been, so far, unsuccessful in obtaining NFA items, which is what prompted his UPIN efforts. Obviously this is a sample size of one, and his case may be more intricate than others, but it's an example nonetheless.

My FFL who does mostly NFA stuff said it's not just as simple as applying for a UPIN. Unless you show a real need for it, you're likely enough to get denied. Worth trying if you always get delayed, but like me, I always got delayed until I moved to Arizona, and then it went to never getting delayed, it just takes about forty five minutes instead of ten or fifteen.

I'm at 96 hours on my recent submission. I'm gonna be anxious until about a week goes by, then forget about it. I ordered all the muzzle devices I need for the various suppressor hosts I want to get up and running in time on the off chance that I get the best outcome like I've been seeing in other places: That I get an approval in a week or less, and that it kicks loose my batch of trust submissions from last fall. Be a nice day if I get a bunch of emails and phone calls and go out and pick up three cans at once.

With any luck, the Form 1 on my PS90 comes back just as fast, and then I can throw a rifle can on that sucker for some real giggles. Went ahead and just got the CMMG thread adapter so I can put the short Griffin brake on there and just use my taper mount cans on it. Won't look like a Stargate SG-1 clone, but I guess I'll live.

Ha, yep! Shot a buddy's Saturday afternoon and am really jonesing for mine to come in.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
Initial Form 1s: 9/6/23, 211 days

Sweet mercy, that's a long time on a Form 1. Might be worth asking about, that's way over the average.

Individual
Certified 4/4/24
Picked up today

Well, the NICS liaison email seems to be worthless now. My latest attempts have been replied to with the following.

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Your ATF/NFA application is in process. When an application is completed, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will provide the final determination. Currently, there is no further status information available.

Basically, “go sit in the corner and wait.” I replied and told them that each agency is saying it was the other’s job, for all the good it will do me. I guess I’ll try waiting on hold on the phone today to try to actually talk to someone at NICS and ask what the status of my checks from last October are since I am now past the average wait and being delayed was the problem last time. I have a suspicion that all my NFA checks are delayed. I may actually be a good candidate for a Upin.

If none of my nagging this week produces results, then Friday I’m going to directly email the examiner who approved my batch of four SBR’s last fall and politely ask him if he’d be willing to take a look for me and see what’s going on with them. Almost tempted to add a friggin’ .22 can while I’m waiting.

An acquaintance seemed to have some sort of recent success with the liaison email. He tried a few weeks ago, and got nothing. He then tried again a bout a week ago, and got a reply saying the check was completed, and the result had been sent to ATF. A call to the NFA branch a few days later had them informing him of an approved status. It was a paper form, so he's just waiting on the mail now.

I'm not an FFL/SOT, just waiting on my stamp for a machine gun. Does anyone know whom I can contact at ATF for an update? All these quick turnarounds for silencers and SBRs are making me jealous and a little concerned.

I just got off the phone with a lady at NICS. She repeated the form response I've gotten twice now, and I told her "The ATF says they can't can't tell me if I've been delayed, they say to ask you. You're saying you can't tell me, to ask the ATF."

She repeated that there was no information for me. I asked what I was supposed to do, and she said the ATF processes these in the order they're received. I told her I know that isn't true, and she said she couldn't help me.

Basically, I'm sure they're flooded with requests from guys who didn't get their cans back in 24 hours and want to know why they've had to wait 28, and the FBI is tired of it. Meanwhile, I filed under a trust last year, so I get to go suck shit.

I just filled out the application for a Upin, and I'm going to go through that process. I'm also going to email the examiner who approved my batch last year. Fuck it.

Quick question regarding individual vs, trust. Is the timeframe any different on approvals now between the two if only one person is listed on the trust? Trying to figure out smartest way to do this and also for a couple of SBR receivers I want to build out.

If trust is still good to go, is HeavyD still in the trust business or should I go with a Silencershop or other route to a trust?

I'd go with HeavyD. Don't worry about the responsible persons thing, he covers that in his paperwork.

Ok, so I emailed IPB@ATF.gov. A very nice examiner contacted me in under an hour and said my checks were indeed delayed, and gave me the NTN reference numbers. I forwarded that to the NICS liaison email, and got a reply back in ten minutes. It was the same form reply I'd gotten three other times today.




I forwarded that email back to the nice examiner and apologized for bothering her, thanked her for her time, and said I didn't know what else to do. I suspect calling the NICS number to try to give them the numbers over the phone will garner the same result, they're clearly just NOT going to deal with purchasers/transferees right now.

VAF/UPIN it is.

On the bright side, Rick Lee, if you email that IPB address, you may get some traction. If not, I have the email address of the examiner I mentioned earlier in the thread. The nice lady who emailed me back today was, in fact, the very one I had picked to email last year if my emailing NICS didn't pan out. She was the examiner with the most approvals for the state of Arizona for the four months worth of approval threads I combed through. When I mean the most, I mean by and far. It wasn't even close. This lady puts in work.

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Thanks. I just emailed that address.

Breaking news!

Tax stamp approval email arrived two min. ago. That's two mos. since my resubmission and about 13 hours after I emailed that address above. Time to celebrate!

Hey, congrats! That's awesome! Is this for that S&W you found?

ATF examiner replied and basically said there's nothing I can do but wait for the FBI to process my delayed checks. With them not even willing to talk to people about it, I'm at a loss. I guess I'll just send them weekly emails with my NTN numbers asking if they'd kindly resolve them.

It's an MK760.

OK I'll admit I bought this suppressor from my dealers inventory solely to test this rapid response theory. And to just experience the joy of
Submitted 4/13
Approved 4.17.