Okay, so I've received approvals on Form 1 SBRs and Form 4 Suppressors.

I can print the forms with the approvals. Do I need to wait for the mailed stamps to build my SBRs or use my suppressors? I got the receivers engraved yesterday. Do I need to keep the paperwork with the SBRs or suppressors at all times?

Anything else I should know?

That you're indicating you can print your 'Approvals' I'm assuming eForms, and if that's the case you won't be getting any 'Stamps' in the mail. Unfortunately eForms are electronic only, so you have all you need, and all you're gonna get! Receiving actual 'Tax Stamps' would require a paper form submission, and have a MUCH longer approval/wait time, more than a year in some (many?) cases!

And yes, you're supposed to have a copy of the 'Form' w/ the NFA firearm or suppressor at all times!

I keep a printed copy of each approval with the item in question. I also keep a digital copy on my phone in case I have no reception and somehow don’t have a physical copy, but there is no way in hell I’m handing over my unlocked phone to an LEO or ATF, that’s a “you can look only” situation. Also important to know that you’re only legally required to “show your papers” to anyone but an actual ATF or IRS agent.

Good idea to backup those emails as well. If they accidentally get deleted or you lose access to your account, you’re out of luck, they’re not going to re-send them.

But yeah, you have everything you need, just keep a copy of each form with you and off you go!

Great, thanks all!

Based on what I was reading at the ATF web site, that is my understanding as well.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Also important to know that you’re only legally required to “show your papers” to anyone but an actual ATF or IRS agent.

I thought we went over this on a previous thread and came to the conclusion that any LEO can ask to see your stamps?

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Also important to know that you’re only legally required to “show your papers” to anyone but an actual ATF or IRS agent.

I thought we went over this on a previous thread and came to the conclusion that any LEO can ask to see your stamps?

Any LEO can ask to see you stamps, but there’s no stated federal required to show them to anyone but an ATF agent.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/q...0being%20transported.


That said, me showing my stamps to a local or state LEO on demand would be situational. How and why I was approached about it would dictate whether I’d be willing to just show them my stuff or whether I would tell them to call for an ATF agent from the local field office. I don’t always necessarily want to attract the attention of the feds, specially to prove a point, but if the officer was being a complete dick, I just might. My parents were cops, I grew up with cops, I support law enforcement, but I also know there are some genuine shitheads who wear the badge, and I am willing to exercise my rights. If I’m approached in a cool and reasonable manner, I see no need to make an issue of it.

Now, I haven’t encountered it yet first hand, but I think I’m leaning towards telling any range officer to pound sand if I’m told I have to show my papers. I’m not in the business of supporting ranges that play junior G Men.

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That said, me showing my stamps to a local or state LEO on demand would be situational.

This thread isn't the real place for this discussion but here goes. In many States the way the law on NFA items is drafted is they are prohibited UNLESS you have NFA approval.
Here's an example of the law where I live NFA item is prohibited and possession is a crime unless "acquired, transferred or possessed in accordance with the National Firearms Act, as amended..." So any local/State LEO can charge you with crime if you cannot produce the necessary NFA paperwork.
YMMV, Your State may vary, but you need to check if you actually have the option to say no without consequences. Absolutely NOTHING to do with Federal law.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
Do I need to keep the paperwork with the SBRs or suppressors at all times?

NO

While you are required to prove registration to any BATFE agent that demands it, Federal Law does not state that you must keep a copy of the paperwork with you. Here is te text from the Federal website:
The approved application received from ATF serves as evidence of registration of the NFA firearm. This document must be made available upon request of any ATF officer. It is suggested that a photocopy of the approved application be carried by the possessor when the weapon is being transported.

[26 U.S.C. 5841(e); 27 CFR 479.101]


Remember that a Form 1 or a Form 4 is a paid tax receipt. Tax documents are protected under the Privacy Laws

Now if you choose to carry a copy with you and show it to whomever asks you for it that is of course your decision

I'm just going to repeat what I wrote above. The Federal and State answers are potentially not linked and the above 'no' may be very bad advice in your State.