My prayers have been answered and surefire finally figured out the new world order. I have a major investment in surefire and while the B&T gave some relief on how to get a hub suppressor to use a SOCOM muzzle device it has a bunch of silly design choices and is not very good.
I don't know how unobtanium the surefire hub will be, but this has made my day.

Nice. Now it just needs to get to primary arms with a 12% discount. Lol. I have also not been too impressed with the B&T hub. Saves me the trouble of buying a Warden and having it machined. Thanks for the heads up.

I wish there was someone who would still machine a surefire trainer as I bought one for just that. but I don't think there is anyone still willing to do that.

Someone on Reddit told me that Big Hoss Machine was still doing Warden conversions.

Factory Surefire Hub adapter is available. I foolishly ordered off the Surefire website site at 3am, while a vendor is selling them for $30 less this morning. I am excited to compare against my B&T Surefire Hub adapter.

I bet that comparison does not go well for B&T. Their implementation really truly sucks (and I am normally someone who loves B&T stuff).
I'm hoping as I have my name in at about a dozen places to find a couple of them soon. seems difficult at the moment...

Mine was delivered last night. I'll try to install it today. Also Riflegear has the 556 in stock as of now.

The instructions indicate the need for a spanner wrench. The B&T spanner wrenches you should have received with your B&T HUB non-RBS can seem to fit However, on the SRBS, they moved the grasping points to the larger part of the can for some stupid reason, and it is more difficult using the spanner wrenches.

After installing it in the SRBS Compact, it is a pleasure to use, compared to the B&T. I can install it with gloves or w/o, unlike the B&T which I feel I can't install w/o gloves, and definitely can't remove without. It's also both shorter overall and shorter out the back of the can. The earlier B&T hub required I switch out the insert so 4-prong flash hiders were supported. You might also notice it opens up further than than the newer B&T Hub mount.

From left to right: early B&T Hub with switched insert , newer B&T Hub (labeled 5.56 on side), and Surefire Hub.


Annoyingly, one side appeared to come with some surface rust, or at least a poor application of their ion bond/dlc coating.


The other side to compare. (sorry about the long thumbnail)


Surefire hub was the heaviest at 5.3oz, then newer B&T at 5.1oz, and the older B&T at 5.0oz.

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Sadly riflegear had none when I got your suggestion, but on the list there to add to my notifications elsewhere. But your picures prove surefire has solved my real issue. My problem has been the length of the B&T hub is just too long to work on several cans I have, never mind the silly design for the lock. Thanks for posting this.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Sadly riflegear had none… Thanks for posting this.

You’re welcome. They had 3 at the time of posting, and they lasted about an hour.

If a spanner is needed for the SureFire Hub adapter....a laser cut wrench is available from
suppressortools.com

What would I gain by switching from Dead Air’s KeyMo adapters to these Surefire units? I’m really curious

I am reluctant to write part of this but since you are a very long term member here you go.
IMO...
What you get with surefire is a taper mount QD system that has a long proven history under a variety of conditions including actual combat conditions.Its not perfect but its pretty darn good. And its faults are pretty well understood and can be managed.
BUT I don't think anyone would ever suggest that someone who is not neck deep in the surefire eco system of surefire muzzle devices suppressors etc. would ever consider switching into it. Its a proprietary system and while HUB helps it is still that and relatively expensive.
Having said that compared to Keymo I can't say from personal experience. I don't use keymo, I don't follow the issues that some have with it (but there are clearly some issues with evidence like some suppressor mfg. no warranty if you use it), and you are fully on your own on that issue and since you have it already you know what you are dealing with.
If one was considering switching for whatever reason then there are many available less costly alternatives to the surefire system widely adopted like PlanB for example.
YMMV and all that.

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On my recent suppressor order, I told my dealer I needed the Surefire Hub adapter, and they wanted to sell me the B&T version. I had seen reviews that they are not well executed so I told them I was only interested in the Surefire. They said Surefire contracted with B&T to make their version before making their own. Not sure if that is accurate. I got the impression they had many B&T adapters they were trying to sell.

hrcjon… I appreciate that input.. thanks

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I needed the Surefire Hub adapter, and they wanted to sell me the B&T version.

There a number of B&T versions. My dealer tells me B&T will swap out the initial ones which suck the most, but I have not done it to say that is a reality. I 'think' I have an example of the latest B&T to compare.
But at this point with the versions of the B&T that I have (probably half a dozen) the actual surefire aftermarket one is still way, way better than any B&T one. And OK if someone gave me the B&T one I might take it, and use it, but I would not pay actual money for one. I got mine because they were attached to B&T cans, not retail. No idea if that matters.