I own lots of suppressors. But every single one of them is from a mfg I have heard of and has been around for awhile. AND I'm happy. But literally every review video that gets posted on here and almost all of P220 Smudge posts suggest trying something outside of that class. So this is a post to say of the current generation of suppressors that one could actually buy given the priorities of MAX shooter ear suppression, HUB, Ti, 5.56 what is the best thing to try and find for fun.

Max suppression to the shooter? SAW Tisha is the current winner. Skip the inconel version, it’s a hefty boy and meant for full auto and FRT stuff. Titanium is what you want.

Others to look closely at are the Ridgeback Rhodie 6J, and the Sig Sauer Hexium.

EVT suppressor industry range day is this Saturday. I’m hoping I’ll get to be away from the booth for a bit and check out some stuff in person.

Just remember, in 6 months or a year, something else will be the new hotness.

I’ve got an Sig Hexium 762 in jail right now. Figured I’d use it on 5.56 too.

I just picked up the Vent Spiritus. First centerfire can. I’m at work but should try it out on Friday.

I’m fascinated by the cheap old tech Stacey’s Mom. Any input there? I like the idea of a half price can instead of these thousand plus models. lol

Expensive hobby.

I think smudge and I got into a big argument over sbr vs pistol brace. I was pretty happy with my pistol brace AR’s and he was not. So I recently bought my first sbr and now I’m smitten. I still think the braced ones are fine but the sbr is much much finer. lol. So smudge wins that round.

The Stacy's Mom is one of the best bang for the buck out there.

I just got a CMMG 36K and it was less, but it's a chunky beast. There is absolutely no way in hell I can ever destroy it.

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Just remember, in 6 months or a year, something else will be the new hotness.

I completely get that and am ok. IF F4 times stay short I'm happy to chase the next best thing for a suppressor that moves the suppression perforamce curve materially. I'm already having a decent amount of space filled with once great suppressors that are no longer the front line done in by 3d printed Ti and Hub.

I want the Otter Creek Labs Polonium.

Not very quiet if that's your main criteria.
The Tisha looks great but I'm waiting till Sat. is over for P220Smudge to give me a new hotness. The PTR seems quite good. I've seen a bunch about the new sig but no real numbers, that of course is probably the easiest one to get.

Well, my own non-scientific testing with my Mk1 ears says the Polonium is pretty quiet. I own one, I’ll probably never part with it. It’s a poor man’s Surefire RC2 - very, very similar performance as far as suppression and flash reduction. However, it’s also similar in terms of back pressure. There’s a lot of it, and it gas stacks like a mofo - relevant since you and Mars are dicking around with FRT’s. If you’re willing to tune your gun to the can, it’s a fine option, just don’t expect it to be super quiet to the shooter since you’re going to be dealing with a lot of port pop. It will also render your gun filthy very quickly.

We compared my 11.5” gun with a .30 cal Ekron to my friend’s 11.5” with full size Polonium last fall, and the Polonium was slightly quieter to the bystander in all positions tested. That said, it was a lot louder to the shooter. Similar testing with an inconel Tisha with the same Ekron has the Tisha being quieter and slightly lower pitched as well, which is amazing since the can is only four inches long.

I just looked at Pew. I know you don't like them. But that shows that an RC2 is quieter at the ear than the Polonium. I'm on a search for something way better than that. The SAW Tisha looks very promising but a bit hard for me to get easily. I'm researching the Hexium you suggested which would be trivial for me to get. I'm waiting till you come home tomorrow for a full report on new alternatives!!!

I don’t dislike Pew, I just think people put too much stock in his numbers. The experience is far more subjective to me.

For sure, you won’t hear anything from me until some time Sunday evening at the earliest. I’m gonna be there all day, then we’re gonna get something to eat, then we’re doing an NV shoot, and then I have to drive all the way across the valley to get home sometime in the early morning.

I’m going to check out the Otter Creek booth, the B&T booth, Sif Sauer, and Diligent Defense if they’re there. I want to see what the Hexium is like for myself. If there’s anything else you want me to take a look at, let me know and I’ll try and get to it.

OK I feel like a kid waiting for his xmas present to arrive. At B&T shoot the Vers36 from a rifle if you can (haha). The sig for sure. Be interested in the PTR if they are there. And if TBAC is there the new low pressure Spiro.
Thanks as always.

Apparently we’ll be right next to the B&T booth. Some… surprising and big news breaking there.

The hybrid Jekyll & Hyde Shaw I have with the whole baffle stack is amazingly quiet.

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Apparently we’ll be right next to the B&T booth. Some… surprising and big news breaking there.

It's a soap opera over at B&T. I don't know how much that might affect B&T's 3D suppressor printing farm, but AAC, Exigent and several other companies are using it. There's a chance multiple "manufacturers" might take a hit to production.

To me the hot cans this year are OCL Infinity 556k and CAT ST, there will be a Ti version of the ST. I demoed both, liked both, thought the ST was quieter by a bit. You don't get exact comparisons at these shoots though as the hosts and ammo are always different. I value Pew Science data but I also like to demo everything myself. Pew results came out this week on the ST, outstanding score at the muzzle, not very good at shooters ear. You can reduce gas and bring the at ear decibel number down on a well designed can.

I particularly enjoyed the back and forth tirades when that guy called HUB a mistake. It was a wildly over semantically presented argument that made him look badly the way I read it.

The only thing I know for sure about cans is that the current hotness won’t be the future hotness. Which is where his argument fell flat to my ears.

He conflated lab numbers with real world actuality and nobody shooting guns for fun or professionally lives in a laboratory. I trust you guys more than the numbers.

Wow does that look like a mess at B&T. I don't care personaly because despite the fact I have tons of their stuff all of it has levels of duplicity that getting anything to make something important run is just not an issue. Since the suppressors have to be made in the US by a US licensee I would guess AG cant turn that off even if they wanted.

I also like Pew, and find his data fascinating, but I have also wondered how his numbers transfer to the real world. But he never covers any cans new to the market, and he doesn't test cans across multiple platforms, when it would be easy to do so.

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I don’t dislike Pew, I just think people put too much stock in his numbers. The experience is far more subjective to me.

For sure, you won’t hear anything from me until some time Sunday evening at the earliest. I’m gonna be there all day, then we’re gonna get something to eat, then we’re doing an NV shoot, and then I have to drive all the way across the valley to get home sometime in the early morning.

I’m going to check out the Otter Creek booth, the B&T booth, Sif Sauer, and Diligent Defense if they’re there. I want to see what the Hexium is like for myself. If there’s anything else you want me to take a look at, let me know and I’ll try and get to it.

Oh crap, I never did come back to this.

I'll be blunt: I didn't really get a chance to go check out much of anything else. I did try to the new Otter Creek Milkman, and honestly, on their host and the way it was set up, it was unpleasant at the shooter's ear without ear pro. It hurt. I love Otter Creek, I think Andrew is one of the absolute nicest people I've ever met, but I don't think he does the low backpressure thing well.

I got to the Sig booth just before they shut it down and tried out the Hexium .30 and .300 on their hosts. The .30 was nothing game changing, but the .300 with subs was astonishingly quiet. However, the can itself is fucking massive.

I can't recall actually checking out anything else. There were a lot of brands there, but we stayed so busy that by the time it slowed down enough that I could step away for a bit, a lot of other vendors were packing up. We were right next to the B&T USA booth and I never did get to go over and check anything out there.

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Oh crap, I never did come back to this.

I'll be blunt: I didn't really get a chance to go check out much of anything else. I did try to the new Otter Creek Milkman, and honestly, on their host and the way it was set up, it was unpleasant at the shooter's ear without ear pro. It hurt. I love Otter Creek, I think Andrew is one of the absolute nicest people I've ever met, but I don't think he does the low backpressure thing well....

We had the same impression on the Milkman. Andrew and John are good people, got to visit with them at Quiet in the Capitol demo shoot. I hope to be doing business with them for years. I'm not quite sure why Andrew starts out putting his product in a hole, but he said he bought the cheapest $500 PSA AR9 he could find as a host and said if Milkman sounds good on it, it will sound good on anything. I shot it without earpro and was thinking I want ear protection for more than a few rounds with this setup.

I shot several cans on 9mm PCCs and everyone else had a roller delayed host, to present their product in the best light possible. I shot the Ruger Sub9 on an HK clone and it sounded better than the Milkman. I'm ready to buy a Sub9, but what's holding me back is I wonder how the Milkman would sound on an HK and is it going to have a big advantage when I throw an FRT in the mix and want low back pressure.

I'll probably buy one of those cans, still haven't decided which one.