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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
https://www.thefirearmblog.com...on-act-reintroduced/
Sure wish it would pass but I don’t see it happening. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | ||
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The guy behind the guy |
Not a chance, but this is how it works. You don’t introduce a bill and get it passed right away. It takes years of banging your head into the wall, then hopefully one day the stars align and you can push it through. But for the Vegas shooting, we might have gotten it done. I’m glad to see the ASA continuing this process and encourage everyone to support them. | |||
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Wait, what? |
The Fed gets $200 each time a suppressor is transferred to a non-dealer recipient. Does anyone here think that the government will give that up, despite the fact that they would help hearing health immensely? That other countries already do it without a massive crime wave? That use of suppressors in the commission of crimes is virtually nonexistent? No, much as we want it, or the sense it makes, it won’t be happening. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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^^^^^^^^ I'd be fine with building the $200 into the price of the suppressor if I could get one without the BS approval process. | |||
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| Member |
Let’s see. The HPA didn’t even make it to the floor of the House when the Republicans were in charge for 2 years, so what are the odds that it will suddenly do much better now that the Democrats are in charge? Anyone laying down money? Not a snowballs chance........ | |||
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recovering ammoholic |
Yea, lol. Can't / Won't get it passed owning House/Senate/Presidency, lets put it up to a Dem controlled House, who will bury it in committee and then campaign on how we put it forward. No chance in hell. --------------------------------- How's your cardio? Nature, alas, made only one being out of you although there was material for a good man and a rogue.” -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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| Freethinker |
Um, … I don’t know. Maybe they would support the bill and add something like an amendment banning >10-round magazines at the last second in hopes that no one would notice until after it’s passed. Isn’t that what happened to being able to register new machine guns? ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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I run trains! |
You’re working on the assumption that the cost of all the stamps each year more than pays for the NFA Branches expenses and then turns a profit. I’d suggest that it probably doesn’t. Point of fact. In 2017, the most recent year that data is available here (page 12), the total number of taxable transfers (Form 1s and Form 4s) is 224,756 for a total take of $44,951,200. Knowing what we know about the spending habits of the federal government I’d be surprised if the NFA Branch operated annually for that amount. The ATF’s budget as a whole for 2017 was $1.258B. The cost of the stamp isn’t the cash cow that folks think it is. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Complacency sucks… | |||
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| Wait, what? |
I never said they turn a profit, I said they won’t give up the $200 per transfer. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Member |
My thoughts exactly “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson | |||
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I think people are kidding themselves if they believe the reason that the HPA isn’t going anywhere is just because the government wants to give up the $200 fee. The reality is that, whether it’s right or not, the majority of people associate silencers with criminal activity. That’s something that’s been drilled into everyone’s conscious by movies and TV. Whenever you see a silencer in the media, it’s being used to silently kill another human being. You almost never see a silencer depicted as being used by a hunter or Target shooter to protect his or her hearing. The Dems and many squishy Reps have visions of the next Las Vegas shooter mowing a bunch of people down “silently” and no one knowing where it’s coming from. The chances of ANY loosening of NFA in any near future is about zero. No Democrat, and most Republicans, is going to stand up and publicly state that everyone should have easy access to a machine gun or a silencer. Not happening. | |||
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I don’t think the $200 is the big hold up, but if it was just keep the $200 “tax” for them... just don’t make us wait a year to own them... | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
The personnel that handle the form 1 & 4 doesn't include that many of the overall AFT employee base. Maybe 80 examiners? Support staff? Using databases and recourses already in place. While not turning a huge profit, I'd bet they aren't losing money on the process either. | |||
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There are 26 examiners. The NFA stamps bring in $31.8 MM annually. If you figure wages and benefits run $80K ( or more ) per examiner you are at a little over $2MM in employee costs. Add infrastructure to handle the requests and its unlikely anyone except the examiners themselves are making any money on this deal. | |||
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I'd be fine with paying 200 and getting it over the counter. As much as I'd love no regulation maybe a instant NICSish check so the examiners still keep their jobs? With the Dems in I can't see this passing but fingers crossed. | |||
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| Freethinker |
It has nothing to do with revenue for whoever gets the registration tax. If the suppressor rule was changed to an instant check, registration, and a $200 fee for over the counter purchase, the gummint would make multiple times the amount of money that they do now on the NFA registration. I myself would probably buy at least two more suppressors that I will not do as things are now. Such a change wouldn’t do anything besides increasing revenues except make gun owners happy and the antigun crowd livid. It’s the last reason why nothing is likely to change. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
This says it all, unfortunately.  | |||
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The background check is a farce anyway. Its a standard NICS level check done online by an ATF examiner when they process the paperwork. No different than the one your dealer does for a 4473. The whole process is just a stall tactic. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
The whole process is a farce. It should take about five minutes for anyone with half a brain to go through the application, verify that everything is up to snuff, and send out the stamp. Yet...it takes them more time than a pregnancy.  ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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The better chance is a pending SC case concerning regulation. The complaint was that BATFE writes, in effect, laws without the benefit of Congressional approval. The original law said buyers paid a fee and were registered, period. All the rest is added on crapola. If the case goes our way, a suppressor could be purchased at the store, with a fee paid and 5x8 card filled out and mailed to BATFE. Probably won't be resolved favorably, though, as it would impact too many agencies, such as EPA. | |||
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