I am seeking guidance for a suppressed 9mm cal home defense weapon. I do not want a SBR due to penetration and noise level. Full auto not required.

My current primary arms are 1911s and SIG P220 in 9mm.

Please describe the complete package, including brand(s) of firearm, suppressor and sighting system. A cost estimate and suggested vendor for a Florida purchaser would be helpful.

Appreciate the help!!

I am surprised that there have been no suggestions as yet! This thread has many people with opinions and I was hoping to have help in making a choice.

At the very least, I am going to get a threaded barrel for my P228, so an appropriate suppressor suggestion is welcome!!

You probably haven’t gotten many answers yet because you posted in the middle of the night for many people, plus what you want is kind of vague. You want a suppressed “9mm UZI type”, but don’t want a SBR, or I assume a pistol either because a 5” barrel pistol is going to be just as loud and penetrating as a SBR with a 5” barrel. So are you looking for a 16” 9mm carbine? That’s a pretty long gun to be moving around indoors with, even before you make it longer by adding a suppressor on the end. And adding in sights, prices, suppressor recommendations, and where to buy is a lot as there are infinite variations of answers.

Maybe if you narrowed down what you’re looking for, you might get some more targeted answers.

Good point…

I mentioned UZI because of 9mm and compact, easier to manage than an AR.

This type is not in my experience base, so hoping others had ideas.

Can you clarify why having an SBR would affect penetration and noise level?

You want sight options but how will you shoulder an UZI pistol to use them?

I think you are wanting a pistol caliber carbine type weapon.

It will be more or less an SBR regardless, only in a pistol caliber.

There are new types of these weapons on the market all the time now.

If you aren't looking to FRT it, there is an MP5 clone that's really good and it will most certainly accept a suppressor.

If you are budget minded, PSA has an AR9 that is threaded for a suppressor with a short barrel. Mind you, it is a blowback and has the AR stock and spring, so it isn't super portable like the MP5, which uses a telescoping or folding stock.

Then there are the PCC frames for your standard pistol that has an extending wire frame stock.

I played with this over the weekend and couldn't get used to the slide being that close to my face.

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-flux-legion.html

[QUOTE]Originally posted by OttoSig:
Can you clarify why having an SBR would affect penetration and noise level?

You want sight options but how will you shoulder an UZI pistol to use them?[/QUOTE

I worry about high velocity rifle going through walls and doors. Also louder than 9mm.

that's a caliber issue not an SBR issue.
in general, depending on material, its often true that a 5.56 round penetrates less than 9mm.

Current thinking…

Pistol - Sig P228; BOE 9S Suppressor

SBR - AR in 300 Blackout; also BOE Suppressor 9M

Question: 1. Are subsonic loads a requirement for max suppression?
2. Is it acceptable to switch between velocities easily, or are adjustments needed

Finally - trusted gunsmith/builder in Orlando area for AR?

1. yes
2. what gun and caliber. some guns care some don't.

Subsonic does help, you could try a 45 ACP PCC since it is already subsonic, should lower penetration risks and you can find good self defense ammo. Not sure if parts are still available for a 45 ACP AR, New Frontier Armory used to sell uppers and lowers in 45ACP. I built three PCC’s with their uppers and lowers, one in 9mm (which I wish I still had, it was really accurate) and 2 in 10mm (I still have one of those).

You could also consider an MP5 or variant. It’s 9mm, you can mount a light to it, recoil is very manageable, it will take a can, you can get good self defense ammo, the size is great for close quarters, and it is cheap to practice with.

9MM UZI type?
I'm going to agree with MarsAttacks.

Just this past summer, I researched purchasing this type of firearm.
I researched both PPCs (pistol-caliber carbines) and PDWs (personal defense weapons), some say they are one in the same.
I wanted to stick with 9mm since I have so much of it and it's relatively inexpensive.

There are many choices in 9mm PDWs:
Just a few are Grand Power's Stribog, CZ Scorpion, Springfield Kuna, Ruger PC Charger, SIG Sauer MPX (a bit expensive), and many AR-type 9mm offerings (PSA comes to mind).
Some of them even use Glock magazines; the Stribog can also come in Glock mag configuration.

I recently chose and purchased a Stribog SP9 A3.
It can be run with or without a pistol brace or stock.
Comes with 3 30-rd mags, but I also have some 20-rd mags as well.
It has a semi-locked bolt with delayed action via a transfer roller to reduce recoil.

I did some upgrading of some parts, mostly HB Industries , which wasn't mandatory; I just like modding firearms.
Although I'd highly suggest the short stroke buffer if you purchased one.

I'm running a Huxwrx 9K Ti suppressor on it.
Also plan to use the Flow 9K on some of my 9mm pistols; it comes with the Booster Assembly for tilting-barreled firearms.
I'm using a Huxwrx mini-stiction adapter and compensator, but you can also use a direct thread adapter.

Also running a ARO-EVO-SPR-GD that I like so much I bought another one for my AR.
The gold recticle/dot has worked out very well for me.

The gun itself was $1100 with a folding pistol brace.
The suppressor w/adapters was around $1000.
The optic was around $270.
I've spent around another $600 on parts upgrades, mags, and the stock that didn't have to be done.

When new, with the pistol brace.



With the can and optic



Now with the Strike Industries single-folder stock I just bought for it.




With my S&W 15-22 pistol, or now SBR with the stock.




Good luck.

Extremely helpful! Thank you so much!!

Noise level is a valid concern, though 9mm inside without earpro is still really unpleasant.

I've got what I consider 3 of the better offerings in the caliber, all are stamped SBR and I run them all suppressed, so the following is purely my subjective opinion. Your mileage may vary

HK SP5
I absolutely love this gun. Nothing handles better or is more pleasant to shoot rapid controlled pairs with than a suppressed MP5. I actually had a range officer ask me the other day if those were my actual split times or if I was running a FRT.

Cons: It's an MP5 variant. Most of the time that is a great thing, but it comes with caveats. The manual of arms is different than what most people are used to. No bolt hold open on empty. It really doesn't like loading a full magazine on a closed bolt. It's nothing you can't train around, but it is different. They are also stupid expensive. Magazines are about $90 a pop now.

Springfield Kuna:
Also a roller delayed gun, but not quite as nice to shoot as the HK. To me it feels more like a MP5K, which makes sense as it is a shorter gun than a full size MP5. Mine has been utterly reliable and is plenty accurate. Magazines are fairly cheap and you can buy a lower that will run CZ Scorpion mags if that is your thing.

Cons: there is very little real estate between the mag well and the muzzle to add things like lights. It's honestly a little cramped just for my hand. One of the few guns I've ever actually felt a need to add a handstop to keep my fingers away from the muzzle. The brace it comes with is pretty fragile and needs to be replaced with a decent stock.

CZ Scorpion Micro
Simple blowback operated gun. It's chunky with a big heavy bolt. It's not a heavy recoiling gun, but it does surprise me every time I shoot it just how much you feel that bolt slamming back. Mine has been accurate and reliable and it is certainly cheaper than the other options.

Cons: Surprisingly jumpy for a 9mm. There are reported issues with the bolts getting peened by the hammer and causing issues with the firing pin safety. I had some heavy wear on my factory bolt after a couple thousand rounds and swapped it out for a Nexus bolt. No more issues. I know of a couple of departments that bought them and loved them until they started getting up in the round count and started having some durability issues with the polymer receivers. In fairness, most of us aren't going to be running a PCC for thousands of rounds a year.


If I could only buy one, I'd probably go with the Kuna. 80% of what I love about the MP5 for about a third of the price.

Need to step up to the .45 PCC club.

The number of choices is huge -even if- you don't step up to .45acp (but if you do get a B&T ACP45 .
There are so many tradeoffs on what's important to you its really hard to offer much. But I own a pretty decent number of the options and here's my top choices that you might consider with some notes.
B&T APC9 this is the best of these 9mm guns IMO and priced accordingly. Let's you pick a mag type if that is important.
AR9 from someone who is good at building them if you want a factory gun. JP if you have the money. But I've good luck with the CMMG's on the budget side but generally prefer the colts for serious work in the blowback guns. These are AR's which helps if that's what you normally use, but I'm guessing you don't given your OP
SIG MPX. takes a little bit of thinking on suppressing it, and propietary mags, but then its pretty impressive overall
MP5 and clones (mine is an actual HK). This is a classic and still runs great, but has some quirks noted above. The clones are pretty cost competative with some of the above.
1lowlife gave you a good review of the Stribog which has the advantage which he didn't mention of parts to make it run suppressed better.
after those are still dozens of options.
Me personally I run aimpoint optics on anything that I consider for serious duty.
But if you want real advice it takes a bit more detail on what's important to you overall.
With 9mm you do want a short barrel gun running suppresssed to get the length down, either a pistol version or just sbr it.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:

1lowlife gave you a good review of the Stribog which has the advantage which he didn't mention of parts to make it run suppressed better.

What parts are you referring to?
I've replaced/upgraded several parts on my Stribog.
I have no interest in replacing the lower since I don't want an FRT and the Stribog mags run just fine.
I'm open to any suggestions on improving it, even though it ran fine stock...

I have the CMMG Banshee 5" suppressed.

It runs right out of the box even with an FRT with zero modifications to the bolt or buffer.

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What parts are you referring to?

At the time I wrote that I was thinking about the locking block options.
Which is also the situation on the MP5's, changing that may help running suppressed (and is likely necessary on K models).