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Bone 4 Tuna |
Fallkniven F1 or S1 usually come with me on jaunts around the family property or deeper/longer hikes. I wouldn't call myself a bushcrafter or the like, but have a few skills that either knife would be useful for in a bad situation. Occasionally also put an Esse Izula in the pack for smaller chores. _________________________ An unarmed man can only flee from evil and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. - Col Jeff Cooper NRA Life Member Long Live the Super Thirty-Eight | |||
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That's a beautiful little knife. I have several Bark River's myself, but none with a stag handle. | |||
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I, too, have the top three of your selection. I like them a lot, but I agree one might be better off with a hatchet (or other small-ish axe) and a small knife. I would want mine to be a small fixed-blade, though. | |||
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Isn't the ESEE 4 available with a longer handle now? I seem to remember being tempted a while ago to add one; I find the standard 4's handle a bit too short, but still agree it is a really good tool to have in your stash. As is the Mora. Or any Mora. I think they are among the best values on the planet. | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The Knife Connection makes handles that are longer so they cover the metal area, about 1/2" longer. The knife itself is the same. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun |
I installed The Knife Connection handles on my ESEE 4 and now it's perfect. I use the knife all the time outdoors. I highly recommend them as an upgrade. | |||
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Standard military issued Kabar!!!!! "All warfare is based on deception" Sun Tzu, The art of War | |||
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The Kabar is a technical descendant of the original "modern" wilderness knives marketed by Marbles in the early 1900's. They sold to a lot of city folk rediscovering the outdoors, and that led to copies all thru the knifemaking business. The Navy issue knives followed that pattern and when the Marines needed something it was submitted and a contract let. Now the funny part is all those Confederate Bowies pictured in their day were mostly photo props, historians have already noted the most used knife was a 4" folder. Kabar's may have been issued but as any experienced foot soldiers learn, a long fixed blade knife hanging off the belt is actually a rare item in a squad. More than two soldiers carrying one is rare - or LT's in training. Looking at the issue survival knives for downed pilots, "unique operatives" etc world wide and a 4" blade with drop or centered point, flat ground with no wedge, and just thick enough to keep from springing the blade are preferred. Look to the Brits, Germans, or the original Nesmuk camp knife for an all around user. That is what Marbles was emulating, the depressed "blood groove" was actually value engineering to use less steel as materials then were the bigger expense, not labor. Those who are experienced wilderness explorers go for the 4" utility pattern knives and leave the hatchets for woodchopping, if not an ax. In Canadian bush air travel one is mandatory, and it was also common in early pioneering days - a smaller knife for food prep, the tomahawk for heavy work. With all this in mind, what is now sold as a bush, field or survival knife has a lot of hollywood in it. And having used a Randall 14, Swamp Rat, and other 6"+ knives in the field, including the Glock semi bayonet, the smaller ones are preferable. Too many large blades wind up in the bottom of the pack, or get left behind in a duffel bag, because of the effect of carrying little used dead weight on foot. Infantry style. All that gear many currently see getting used? Was it packed on foot to the wilderness sight on foot? Nope. Motorized transport and a half dozen packer boxes is how that is done. Been there done that too. Sold off most of the fantasy knives (listed above) and went with the ESEE Laser Strike, a Nesmuk derivative. I know, fancy name picked up from a South American drug operation but that goes to being on foot in the bush no wheels and you work with what you have. A 4" flat ground blade for easy food prep, centered point for boring holes and woodwork, good sheath with the knife (not a separate purchase.) Lots of options to carry a stone, matches etc. I've got mine fixed with a molle adapter made from a grenade pouch (not that milspec atrocity) and it works and carries well. Try using a high mount sheath to keep the point no lower than your thigh seated. Nobody needs the pommel savaging their ribs. You can beat on the ESEE but I'm going to suggest if that is a criteria then you are likely alone and hiding from the enemy. In a working unit with others, there should be an axe and shovel, one each, carried individually for the team to use for serious wilderness use. And in the day that is why we had pack horses, too. It's a coordinated effort with a lot of other factors, something left out of a lot of history books. In the military it's called "the pioneer tool box in the back of the truck." And you better put it all back or you wind up carrying it. | |||
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Good Information.. Thanks !!
Airborne ! All the Way!! | |||
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Banned |
In terms of what really constitutes a "survival knife:" The knife you have on you when the situation needs it. For many of us, a 3-4" folder. Right now the Laser Strike is on the back molle of a hunting pack. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
"Hiding from the enemy"? What "enemy"? Defining a "survival knife" as the one you have with you is trite and does not answer the question. If all you have is a folder in your pocket, you might use it to get yourself out of a jam, but that doesn't make it a survival knife. What if the only knife you have is plastic dinnerware in the glove compartment of your car, from your last trip through the drive-thru? A survival knife is a knife which is unlikely to fail when used in ways which knives are generally not intended. This means a slab of steel. If we are being faithful to the definition of the term, there is no such thing as a folding survival knife. A knife you might use to survive a crisis is not the same thing as a survival knife. This is a survival knife. These are knives which can be used to survive, but they are not survival knives. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Hardly. "Survival knife" has a distinct meaning. Yes: There are several forms of them, of various designs and compositions of both steels and handles, but all true survival knives share in common they're relatively big hunks of steel that can take abuse. I have a 3-1/2 inch folder that's pretty darn substantial, but nowhere near as substantial, either in steel or in grip, as my Fällkniven F1 (the blade of which is a mere 1/2 in. longer), much less my Fällkniven A1. When I go into the woods in a casual way my F1 goes goes on my belt, because it's relatively convenient and comfortable to carry, full-time, and you just never know. If I knew ahead of time I'd have to go into the wilderness in a survival situation (unlikely at my age, realistically) the A1 would go on my belt. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
The problem, of course, is not the blade or its composition. The problem is the inherent weakness of the pivot and lock. Folders lack lateral strength and even the strongest, most robust of locks is weaker than solid steel. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I like doing bushcraft stuff, splitting wood, making fire sticks etc. I’ve used a few knives for it and really like the esee3 but I wanted to try something of a more traditional bushcraft knife so I got a condor scandi edge bushcrafter for about fifty dollars. I beat on that thing hard and ended up really liking that style of knife so I upgraded to an lt wright genesis which is what several of the people on the alone tv show have chosen. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Did somebody say Fallkniven? ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Nice Fällkniven collection ^5 I've thought about adding paracord lanyards to mine, but I've always worried they'd snag on brush? "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Bolt Thrower |
So Para, if you were to go on a multi-day trek in the woods, what fixed blade would you take? | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
It would depend on how I intended to shelter, and what other gear I had with me. If I intended to build my own shelter and had a hatchet with me, I might take an ESEE-4 and a Mora 510, which weighs nothing, costs nothing and is scalpel-sharp right out of the box err bag- a great bottom-of-the-pack knife. If I intended to build my own shelter and had no hatchet, I'd take an ESEE-6, a Mora 510, and Bahco Laplander folding saw. If I intended to tent-camp and had a hatchet, I'd take a Mora HD Companion. If I intended to tent-camp and had no hatchet, I'd take an ESEE-4 and a Bahco Laplander folding saw. Just my opinion, based upon current personal preferences. In a woodland setting, with a good hatchet with a proper edge- and a sharpener to renew that edge- you could probably get away with carrying a Victorinox Soldier or Farmer pocket knife. Without a hatchet, I think you really need a saw and a fixed blade of at least 4 inches, and longer if you're going to construct your own shelter. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I'm with Para; ESEE is the way. For around $100, go ESEE-4 or Laser Strike. The Knife Connection has great prices on them. I usually pack around a Bahco Laplander, ESEE Laser Strike, Doan, and an Izula-II. | |||
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Bolt Thrower |
Why Esee over Fallkiven? | |||
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