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I'm Fine |
I was reading some training stuff and the guy was talking about only confronting a home invader from behind cover. Other than my fridge or maybe a dresser - I don't know that there is much in my home I'd consider cover. I suppose the mattress might work if the bullet had to go through in a longer path. I know most of the walls wouldn't work - most bullets will go through two layers of sheetrock without trouble and I can't be trying to find a collection of studs to hide behind... Thoughts ? ------------------ SBrooks | ||
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Well sure cover is great but you always can't dictate your circumstances. Do whatever you can to survive - cover or no cover. | |||
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I hope never to need to be an expert on this but my thinking to date is that: 1) if single invader, concealment is probably sufficient until help arrives. I can defend from concealment. 2) if multiple armed invaders, then I don't have cover anywhere to protect flanks - each room has too many windows/doors to protect against. I would need to have purpose built cover in every room, or at least the master. But I'm very open to suggestions. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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My gun safe might qualify. But its in a closet. The mattress idea wont wash. A buddy of mine had an accidental discharge with a 9mm that penetrated both his mattress and box springs and then went quite a distance into the floor. I dont know of any household furnishing that would be bullet resistant enough to be good cover. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| I'm Fine |
Yeah - I'm mostly in the camp of "light him up with a flashlight (to make sure it's a stranger)" then yell for them to leave while my finger is tightening on the trigger. They have that second to either run away or get shot. If it came to cover, all I could think of is kneeling behind the bed or keeping the entertainment center portion of the den between me and them... I guess I was just wondering if people have more things in their home that they would consider "cover" and it's just me that doesnt' have many bullet proof home furnishings ? ------------------ SBrooks | |||
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| I'm Fine |
So much for my mattress plans... ------------------ SBrooks | |||
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| I can't tell if I'm tired, or just lazy  |
No cover for you also means no cover for the bad guy.... _____________________________ "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living." "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin | |||
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Bolt Thrower |
A plate carrier with ceramics and an IFAK is a good start. | |||
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I doubt many homes have anything remotely acceptable as cover unless you have interior concrete partitions. From a life safety standpoint I consider anything my house has to offer as concealment only. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
In most of the realistic scenarios that I might face, having a gun, light, and enough time so they or he doesn't take me completely by surprise would place me in a better position than the criminal. Dogs, an alarm and cameras should help reduce that possibility. Most likely they don't know my home layout or my position inside. Unless facing a seriously prepared and armed group, they are likely to flee at the prospect of an armed homeowner that is firing at them. I do have a deck on the opposite side from my front door and need to be aware of a possibility someone could be behind me while dealing with someone at the front door. The exterior of the home is brick so that's a good barrier to a handgun round and maybe a bit more potent round too. If you're talking about a Scarface style full assault, then survival is unlikely. I doubt many have that risk potential. If you face such a threat, you need to reflect on your lifestyle choices. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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A bookcase full of books perhaps and maybe the fridge or a safe as previously mentioned. Basically nothing which is why I have armor under my bed I can toss on fast if I have the extra 10- 20 seconds. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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Your Fridge wont cut it either. Unless its full of bricks. I know because I shot and killed a chest freezer with a round of .45LC Long story.  End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| I'm Fine |
I forgot about bookcases. I have quite a few of those. Might have to play around in the backyard and see how it works from different angles with some plywood and old books... Side to side; I'd say it'll work great. Front to back - I'm not sure about. ------------------ SBrooks | |||
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blame canada |
Very little in my house would act as proper cover in a gun fight. Certainly nowhere that also provides a fighting position to engage. In my next house, perhaps more attention to funneling potential bullet catching meat sacks could be utilized, and a strategic enforcement of a few key fighting positions also. Until then, given any sort of chance to do so, I'll put some plates on if I can. Gunshots hurt and can be fatal even with body armor, but at least my carriers all have IFAK's, spare ammo, lights, and other batman tools that might help gain and hold the advantage. For home invasion incidents I sure love dogs. Even better than hiding behind cover while getting shot at, is engaging said douschnozzles while they're distracted by a fido or two. Embedding claymore type directional devices in walls intrigues me also... I really need to design a new place and get to constructing before the bugaloo kicks off. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Some smart guy said something once about “making them advance through a wall of lead.” If one was building and was really serious, it might be possible to build some cover walls within a house made of ICF (insulated concrete forms). I’m not sure whether standard ICF has enough concrete in the walls to stop a bullet or not. In a stick built house, one could bolt quarter inch plate (or if you’re going to go to that much effort, get scraps and test to find the thickness that will provide the level of cover you want and use that) then cover with drywall on some number of walls to provide a “safer room”. However, it seems to me that if the neighborhood is bad enough to require that level of protection, moving somewhere safer might be a better option… It probably makes a lot of sense to carefully consider the layout of one’s house, where threats might come from, what concealment is available, and what if any cover is available. The plate carrier + IFAK comment is particularly interesting as both are probably much more economical than any “hardening” of a house and work not only inside the house but outside. Putting in a bunch of plate to harden a room won’t help much if TEOTWAWKI comes and the marauders light your house on fire. I guess the other thing to consider is how much to spend versus the likelihood of needing it vs one’s financial situation. If my financial situation made Bill Gates look like a pauper, there are a ton of other things I’d consider more important, but building a hardened, easily defensible house with a serious for real panic room might be somewhere on the list just because. In my actual life, not so much. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
^^ This. For most people that aren't drug dealers or some other high risk profession, the risk from smoke and fire is much higher and the first efforts should go there. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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| blame canada |
Preventing entry is where I'd focus my money and efforts. Once they're in, escape and evasion is my preferred option. Scooping up loved ones and hastily exiting to safety would be my first priority. Engaging the threat preferably happens with some intel first. Dogs in these situations are the single most affordable and likely effective solution I can think of. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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When Cocaine was big, I would from time to time go on search warrants with our dope unit. One of the scarier houses I went into had steel plates (angled to deflect, even) mounted under every street facing window. This would have made the area between the window sill and floor bullet resistant. But, the dope unit UC guy had made buys in the house and saw this set up. So they put him under surveillance and picked him up outside the residence. Which is what the Feebs should have done with Koresh. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
When we have heard things go bump in the night here in Shady Acres, I reach over with my foot to see if Mrs. Flash is in bed. If so, I go looking and no, I'm not going to light them up to see if it's a friend, as nobody has any business being in my house without my express permission so if I didn't invite anyone in, it's open season. And I'm not going to tell them to leave. This gives away my position and is asking for bullets coming toward the sound of my voice. The first indication they'll have that I'm on to them is when they start taking incoming fire. | |||
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"Member" |
I don't see it as a realistic idea. Even if you have something that would make good cover, it will only serve it's purpose if the threat comes from that one specific spot. I always think back to when I had my house fire. Awakened by someone pounding on my door at 4AM screaming. You may have grand ideas what you will do when things get dicey, but reality may be quite different. Plans go well when everything goes according to plan. I jumped out of bed and ran to the living room in my underwear, not what I thought I would do. You really can't practicing being startled awake and thinking clearly two seconds later. | |||
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