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| Leatherneck |
Is anyone arguing otherwise? Nobody has any clue what happened here other than a pedestrian was hit and killed and I have not seen anyone saying Uber should not be liable if this wa an avoidable accident. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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| Live long and prosper  |
Well, fuck me rigid!!!!  0-0 "OP is a troll" - Flashlightboy, 12/18/20 | |||
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Chip away the stone |
can't be any worser than this:  | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
I for one can not wait until self driving cars become mainstream. I would be happy for now if it was highway only. I have a lot of customers that are 4-6 hours away. I have to travel the night before to attend morning meetings. Programming the destination, leaving at midnight and sleeping most of the way sounds way better than being away from home so many nights. | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
I bet there is a bumper technology, or Volvo technology, for that matter, which can slam on the brakes the microsecond soft human flesh is impacted. At a maximum speed of 25 m.p.h., sure, there will be damages, but no follow-through. Like pop always said, if you're hitting someone with a baseball bat or golf club, the follow-through is where the damage happens. I've got a friend who takes evening walks in Tempe. A peaceful neighborhood with zero "through traffic". Crap like this accident does not need to happen. Aren't there "planned communities" aching for free commuter technologies? Keep it off my taxpayer-paid roads, thank you. | |||
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Bald Headed Squirrel Hunter |
I don't think you understand most of the laws of physics. A vehicle that is traveling at 25 MPH and commences stopping when flesh is hit would keep morgues and hospitals full! "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Jesus Christ  ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Oh wow, so you think you'd just be able to sleep without a care in the world as your car drives you to your destination? Isn't that special. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
I should do that with my bright white, 8,000 pound truck. I can't tell you how many oblivious pedestrians step out in front of me without so much as a glance in my direction. Walking out in front of a moving car and expecting it to stop is dumb. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. I wonder how many people have been killed this year walking in front of manned vehicles? Probably more than 0. | |||
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Dies Irae |
Well, that cup of coffee could be a can of Milwaukee's Best.  | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
Don't be so negative and think it's about selfishness. One excellent potential use is for families who need to transport people around. For example, you could tell the car to take you to work and then go pick up the kids from school and take them home and thereafter come pick you up at work. If you have a senior citizen who doesn't have the ability to drive but is otherwise capable of taking care of their affairs, you could have the car take them to the bank, grocery store or pharmacy. Quite a few possibilities for keeping you from spending your life on the road and for helping people get along with their lives. | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
I had heard that right after the thump they heard "ONE....hahahahahaha" Sorry The Count's accent is hard to reproduce in written form. When I lived in Tempe I saw these Uber Volvos.....yes the irony is thick, all over the place. It was only a matter of time. | |||
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| Nosce te ipsum |
Yep, my brain was off when picturing a vehicle coming to a complete stop within ten inches. The stopping distance at 25mph is what, thirty-some feet? | |||
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Member |
They are exactly the same in Pittsburgh. We also have Argo cars here. | |||
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You can make excuses for or laud the technology all you want. You can blame the woman all you want but I guarandamntee you she did not sign up for being a crash test dummy for an unproven technology when she left the house that morning. People do stupid things, always have always will. Until this technology can account for these incidents and react accordingly and properly then it has no business on our streets. Regards, Kent j You can learn something from everyone you meet, If nothing else you can learn you don't want to be like them It's only racist to those who want it to be. It's a magazine, clips are for potato chips and hair | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
You should see how soundly I sleep when I'm the driver... | |||
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Shaman |
Well Uber is about to get sued for wrongful death now. And the attorneys are gonna get rich off this one.  He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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We were talking about this exact subject in a previous thread not too long ago. I brought up the point that this technology cannot have (yet) human judgement in terms of split moment decisions made (or not) during the accident itself. Another point in this case specifically, IF the pedestrian was standing on the curb staring at their gd cell phone before walking into the path of that vehicle, you have to consider that SOME drivers would have s-l-o-w-e-d d-o-w-n because they already know that that person is probably a moron, and may step out in front of him, at any moment. Or, a bunch of kids walking down a sidewalk coming out of school, with many of them looking to cross, or dart, across the road between moving vehicles. So in those example scenarios, do you think this technology can apply THAT type of judgement when it is really called for ? I don't know. But I can't believe all of that has been worked out. And who knows what level of AI algorithms have even been attempted to address situations like that, if any, or if this software is just about getting from point A to point B. For myself, at least for my lifetime, I don't see it as a viable or good idea as it stands right now, but then again, who knows what transportation will look like in 100 years. I agree with a previous poster, however, about the investors in this technology seeking early returns. You can't blame them for that, but they've already calculated the cost of the technology for the line items regarding liability from deaths. I have a friend at work who rides a couple of very nice bikes (Harley and BMW among others), and I asked him how he's stayed alive all these years. His answer was that he assumes everyone around him is an asshole, and expects them to do something really stupid in every case that presents itself, and that has helped him stay alive. I thought that was good advice for any kind of driving even when you're not on a bike. So I pose the question, do you think the autonomous systems work like my friend's brain does when he's riding his bikes in heavy traffic ? I find it impossible to believe that that level of judgment is even possible in AI, especially considering the hundreds of situations that would need to be programmed into AI to handle those situations, that our brains already process along those lines. I'll take my chances behind the wheel for now, and give wide berth to any vehicle with a computer, or a distracted driver controlling the wheel, both of which in my mind present additional risk beyond what a skilled and alert driver might do in challenging conditions. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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