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Originally posted by cslinger:
So out of pure curiosity. You are saying it’s illegal to shoot my own drone down on my own property? If so what’s the point. Seems like you could make an interesting, albeit expensive shotgun game out of it.

Note: I don’t have a drone nor do I have property suitable for me to be shooting at anything. Just a curiosity on my part.

It probably is illegal, as it isn’t likely that there is a carve out in the FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations) for shooting your own drone.

However, unless you post a video of it, who is going to know or care?

It is illegal to drive 66 miles an hour in many places (where the speed limit it 65), but it would be a rare situation where one would be prosecuted for that either.

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Originally posted by stiab:
Solution without a problem, IMO. If someone were inclined to shoot down a drone, any 12g with typical waterfowl loads would seem to be a good choice.

Yep. Any decent trap shooter or duck hunter would have no problem taking down a drone.

I have a Benelli, a Beretta, and a Browning... all are adequate.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by stiab:
Solution without a problem, IMO. If someone were inclined to shoot down a drone, any 12g with typical waterfowl loads would seem to be a good choice.

Yep. Any decent trap shooter or duck hunter would have no problem taking down a drone.

I have a Benelli, a Beretta, and a Browning... all are adequate.

A few questions-
What’s the effective range of 12ga Bird Shot?
What’s the effective range of 12ga Slug?

How high can a drone fly?
I’m not asking about Reapers, Ravens, Predators… I’m asking about something I can get off of Amazon.

Answer those questions, and that’s going to let you know how great this “Drone Killer” Benelli is, or a Mossberg, Remington, Browning, or Beretta…

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So out of pure curiosity. You are saying it’s illegal to shoot my own drone down on my own property?

Question: is it ON your property or ABOVE your property? At what altitude is it no longer ON your property? I'm asking as I don't know. If it's FLYING, no matter the altitude, is it under the purview of the FAA as one here has stated?

I would like to have that stock and forearm for my M4.
As far as a Drone killer, my old Remington 1100 with 30" barrel and duck loads would probably do a better job.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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So out of pure curiosity. You are saying it’s illegal to shoot my own drone down on my own property?

Question: is it ON your property or ABOVE your property? At what altitude is it no longer ON your property? I'm asking as I don't know. If it's FLYING, no matter the altitude, is it under the purview of the FAA as one here has stated?

Not disagreeing but is the shotgun clay still on “my property” so to speak?

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
A few questions-

That was my original response to the idea that anyone with a shotgun could clear the skies of even hobby-level drones. I’ve personally seen only a couple in flight and they seemed to be a lot farther away than the birds, clay and live, were when I shot at them. I don’t know what the average person here has to fear from drones, but if it’s invasion of privacy, I can’t help but wonder how low a drone would have to fly to get a pretty good idea of what’s going on in someone’s back yard. How difficult is it to discover that it’s a BBQ party or that someone is cutting his crass?

If, however, we’re concerned about bombs, there are videos showing explosives being dropped on the Russian invaders and without spending a lot of time timing them, it seems they take 3 to 4+ seconds to fall. That means the drone height was at least 50 to perhaps 100 yards high when the ordnance was released. What sort of patterns with shot large enough to be effective would a shotgun be capable of producing at such distances?

If we’re concerned about a “kamikaze” drone heading at speed our way, how much time would be have to engage it between the time it’s in effective range and impact? And that of course assume that we would even see it coming and it was on a predictable flight path.

Benelli refers to “Advanced Impact barrels,” and they state they provide extended range as compared with granddad’s 870. Even then they’re only claiming 50 yards or so effectiveness.

A drone is "classified" as (an) aircraft, and as such , it is a federal crime to shoot at or otherwise attempt to halt operation of a drone over any (personal/private) property.

So, a drone operating in 0 to 400 feet AGL (recreational), is in "protected" space.

If I were able to set regulations, a drone could not be operated below any personal/private property and would include a "buffer" 20 feet above the highest point of "solid structure" (meaning an antenna, etc.) as a "safety factor" to help prevent any person from the possibility of injury from an operating drone.

Additionally, anyone operating a drone would be liable for any damages or injury to person or property, including any loss of control or failure of the drone itself.

In other words, the drone would always be considered an nuisance/intrusion, in any event where a dispute of damage/injury would occur.

And persons should be able to file grievance/suit regarding harassments, or operation of any drone where video/image or sworn testimony of the party and at least a single witness, of any offence.

I realize some or all of that may already be in "on the books", but realizing that drones, like cars, bicycles, aircraft are along the same lines as "part of life", no one should have to be disjoined from their safety, privacy, peace.

Or, declassify these things as aircraft and start issuing unlimited tags year round.

And if anyone should deal with a drone in my presence, just call me Sergeant Schultz...

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A few questions-
What’s the effective range of 12ga Bird Shot?
What’s the effective range of 12ga Slug?

How high can a drone fly?
I’m not asking about Reapers, Ravens, Predators… I’m asking about something I can get off of Amazon.

Answer those questions, and that’s going to let you know how great this “Drone Killer” Benelli is, or a Mossberg, Remington, Browning, or Beretta…

I realize a drone is capable of flying higher than the range of a shotgun. It's not how high it can fly that's the issue. It's how low it's capable of flying. If it's high it's not going to bother anyone. If it's hovering 20' over my pool or patio, its gotta go.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I can’t help but wonder how low a drone would have to fly to get a pretty good idea of what’s going on in someone’s back yard. How difficult is it to discover that it’s a BBQ party or that someone is cutting his crass?

Even some of the hobby drones have zoom lenses that can see pretty damn good detail from distance.
Drones are already being used by county governments to spot code violations and a host of other uses.
I will say this. If I see one flying extremely low over my property doing what I consider surveillance, I will shoot the MFer down. I will not tolerate it and neither should anyone else. From a distance, nothing much I could do about it. This reminds me of the Game Wardens putting cameras on people's private property without their knowledge.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Benelli refers to “Advanced Impact barrels,” and they state they provide extended range as compared with granddad’s 870. Even then they’re only claiming 50 yards or so effectiveness.

Having only a 18.5" barrel, it better have something going for it.

The Benelli Advanced Impact barrel:

https://www.benelliusa.com/resources/advanced-impact

Marketing the gun to shoot down drones seems iffy. We need anti-drone drones. Maybe a drone killing drone that could also capture the intruding drone or somehow disable its cameras.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Marketing the gun to shoot down drones seems iffy.

What are you talking about? Every Mall Ninja in the country will want one.

I'm not sure why they show the optic mounted on the forearm when there is a perfectly good picatinny rail behind it.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
The Benelli Advanced Impact barrel:

https://www.benelliusa.com/resources/advanced-impact

"...Advanced Impact Barrels"... that's rich. Clearly they're marketing to young dudes with lots of money but not a lot of shooting smarts.

My observation is that Perrazi and Seitz clay target shotties have the best patterns at distance that I consistently see. The guns when new start at 20k for their entry models, and that's considered a deal if you can get it. You don't buy those at high end clays guns stores, you order them, they are all customized to spec for the game and the shooter. I've shot those guns and they're pretty special to say the least. They are not regular shotguns, even regular more expensive target guns like the excellent Beretta and Browning target shotties. They are special. The shooter who need them are the guys where 1 target out of 200 or more mean the difference for a win.

Considering the number of people who believe that all anyone needs to end the drone menace is a trusty 12 gauge, I think the Benelli offering is a stroke of marketing genius. What could be better for the purpose than having a shotgun that actually says “Drone Guardian,” and especially if the Advanced Impact barrel with different ammunition does indeed increase the effective range of the weapon?

I actually somewhat suspect that the concept was first proposed in house as a somewhat tongue in cheek idea, but then someone said, “Hey. Why not? We’ll probably sell a few extra guns as a minimum, and who know? Maybe it will take off and become the next hotness.”

It seems to me that the limit with a shotgun approach is the projectile, not the weapon firing it.
A aerial bomb type of projectile that could be fired to say 100 yards then explode with shot would be the ticket.Projectiles that are rated to different heights could be offered.
Judging by how far a 1oz 12ga. shotgun slug will travel would indicate that the projectile could travel several hundred yards before exploding.

Caldwell now makes a frizzbe type target system that would be fun to simulate drone hunting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCcb6YkiVc

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Originally posted by cslinger:
So out of pure curiosity. You are saying it’s illegal to shoot my own drone down on my own property? If so what’s the point.

Corrections agencies, at all levels, love to throw money at problems, at drones over prisons has, at times, been a problem.

I guarantee you this: if my bosses wanted a solution to shoot a drone out of the sky they would gladly fork over whatever Benelli is asking since it is "designed" for that use instead of just loading up some skeet load and using one of the other hundred of shotguns we already have.

It is the CYA effect. We lean on "the manufacturer said so and they're the expert" long and hard.

That is the point. Sales to prisons and jails.

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Originally posted by armored:
It seems to me that the limit with a shotgun approach is the projectile, not the weapon firing it.
A aerial bomb type of projectile that could be fired to say 100 yards then explode with shot would be the ticket.Projectiles that are rated to different heights could be offered.
Judging by how far a 1oz 12ga. shotgun slug will travel would indicate that the projectile could travel several hundred yards before exploding.

Caldwell now makes a frizzbe type target system that would be fun to simulate drone hunting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCcb6YkiVc

When I was more directly involved in weapons training and procurement we once had a demo with one of the big names in less lethal weapons. One of the items they brought out were munitions for the 40mm launchers that would fly a set distance and then "explode". They were darn fun. For better or worse my direct Lieutenant, when he got the chance to shoot it, turned around and placed one directly over the portable classroom type trailer that housed his rival/friend Lieutenant from another division.

Fun was had by all.

Here is one... they come in several varieties including ones with marking paint, some chemical agents, or just the plain "signaling/warning" round... think: flashbang.

https://www.defense-technology...ng-range-150-meters/

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Originally posted by chellim1:

I realize a drone is capable of flying higher than the range of a shotgun. It's not how high it can fly that's the issue. It's how low it's capable of flying. If it's high it's not going to bother anyone. If it's hovering 20' over my pool or patio, its gotta go.

Not everything can reach the same altitude, but how low? Well, just like everything else- until it hits the ground.

It's not the drone that's 20' above your pool, it's the drone that's 200 yds away with a really good camera . That drone, if you think about it, is probably going to be off in the distance, watching you / video surveillance. Not directly above you. Just far enough away "not to bother you", hell, probably far enough away not to even hear it, but still well within range of a really good camera.

Then there's "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!" (1966 classic! "Emergency, emergency, everybody to get from street!") THAT drone is going to be 100yds above you with a grenade / mortar round / IED.

Either way, I don't think Grandpappy's shotgun, or the Benelli is going to be that effective.

Then as Sigfreund brings up- Kamikaze Drones.
You better be a fast shooter! Then there's inertia. That object in motion might stay in motion because a handful of 7.5 or BBB took out the motor / propeller... but not set off whatever explosive.
(Think "moving car". you shot the driver, and he's dead, but the car is still rolling at 65mph, uncontrolled, down the street)


Take a look at this:

https://dronestock.com/winter-town-buildings/

A good camera on there, are you going to see it? Or know that it's looking at you?

Judging from the altitude, it's way out of Shotgun range. Not hard on figuring out how many seconds of "air time" a grenade/mortar/IED is going to take to hit the target. (32FPS-PS until terminal velocity IIRC)


How fast do you think this is moving? Can you hit it at that distance & speed?

https://www.airvuz.com/video/F...902c2c417100079c3b05

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Marketing the gun to shoot down drones seems iffy. We need anti-drone drones. Maybe a drone killing drone that could also capture the intruding drone or somehow disable its cameras.

I like this idea. If it’s illegal to shoot down drones, bring them down with a system that tangles the props… or perhaps a hardened drone to smash it out of the sky in an unfortunate collision. Guess what happens when it falls on my property? Trespassing is also a crime on the books and there’s no obligation to let someone come look for it. There’s also no law against smashing trash with a sledgehammer that I’m aware of.