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I don’t know if this is this right spot or not... If not, and it should be in another thread, I apologize. Looks like my job is going to mandate the Covid vaccine within the next month or so. I’m 26.6 years into my job, (with a 30 year retirement). I have no intentions of receiving the vaccine as I’ve already had Covid and recovered and consider myself “naturally immune”. I’ve done an infinite amount of reading outside of the mainstream media and know that my (our[my wife and kids]) natural immunities are as good or better than the vaccine(s]. My wife, who also has the anti-bodies, and I, are going to have to make the difficult decision to retire from our current jobs early and find new employment. I desperately want our decisions to be the right one for us and our kids. Hoping for some well wishes and guidance as we will be moving into a completely different new field of work(whatever the jobs may be) shortly. CT | ||
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These vaccines only provide temporary immunity. My wife had a friend in a study where her antibodies were measured weekly and they were gone in six months post vaccination. Friend of mine had covid like yourself, in Jan 2021 and just recently was forced by the USAF to get a vaccination in order to go TDY to another base as a civilian. I’m really interested to see where the cases in litigation end up as they are stacking my up. ---------- “Nobody can ever take your integrity away from you. Only you can give up your integrity.” H. Norman Schwarzkopf | |||
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There are two other threads for this that might yield better results and will provide you with a lot of information about your particular problem. Take a look at those. The big problem is with all the lunacy going around you might end up with the same problem in another job. .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
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I made it so far, now I'll go for more |
Think of it as just another flu shot. Go get the thing and be done with it. Bob I am no expert, but think I am sometimes. | |||
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But it is not “just another flu shot.” What a terrible suggestion to offer another person. | |||
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There is no permanent immunity if you've had COVID already - at best, your body will start losing your ability to fight off the variants of the virus over just a few months. There have been deaths from the second infection. Like others have said, just get it done - if you don't do it now, you might find it impossible to find other employment later. | |||
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FYI Smallpox was once the most lethal disease on this planet. It was eliminated in the 50's and 60's by a worldwide vaccination program. Another less deadly but seriously debilitating disease was Polio and was nearly eliminated by a worldwide vaccination program. Note, Polio has recently re-erupted in very small numbers in some remote areas but rapid response to these outbreaks has kept Polio in check. Note that rapid response is blanket vaccinations for the effected area. Considering the level of technology science at the times when these vaccination programs were operating I expect that several thousand people were killed by these vaccinations. However considering that these diseases were basically eliminated from this planet the positivity of these programs cannot be denied. I've stopped counting. | |||
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My wife and I have a different but in some ways similar problem. We really don't like to politics and gun laws in Illinois. However we have some land and friends and family and nice neighbors. I can shoot a 30:06 on my property and not bother anyone. We can pick all this up and move to another state then later encounter a Federal law that is just as restrictive or more so than the state we left. My wife and I both got the shots and would get the boosters if/when they are available. We had no problems. We felt it was the smart thing to do. I certainly can't answer for you and yours but if you change everything around and end up having to get the shots anyway you didn't gain anything. | |||
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Polio and Small Pox are both human only diseases therefore could be eliminated through mass vaccinations. COVID as we are finding out is also being carried and transmitted through animals. Supposedly originated in a bat if we are to believe that. If it is in fact carried and transmitted by critters it can not ever be controlled by vaccination. COVID is here to stay and at least half of what we are being told is utter bull shit. We just have to decide which half. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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I had covid twice before vaccination. Natural immunity lasted less than a year in me. I got vaccinated in April, had no significant effects from it, and will get a booster when one is offered. Round 1 of this disease damned near killed me. It's the only time in my life when I went to bed wondering if I would wake up in the morning. I should have gone to the hospital. I was that sick. Round 2 was less bad, but I came out with lung damage and Atrial Flutter. Resting heart rate was 160, BP was 190/140. I understand you have had it, and probably didn't have as bad a case as I had, but I would recommend getting the shot. This disease can kill you, and the fact that your first round was mild doesn't mean round 2 will be. Good luck. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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Just because something is legal to do doesn't mean it is the smart thing to do. |
I feel sorry for the OP and others like him. I am really glad I'm not in his shoes. It has to be tough to decide which way to go. I am also dead set against the so called vaccine, that is not really a vaccine. There are so, so many deadly side effects being reported that it scares the hell out of me. My wife and I have talked about the concept of people being forced to get the vaccine at great length. I am retired already but if I was in the position of being forced to submit {which is what I believe is the real concept} or lose my job I make them fire me. Then if things turn out like I think they will I would be sue the employer at a later date. Each person in this position must do some soul searching for the best answer for themselves. You might find this video interesting, a PHD from the U of Michigan speaking on the value & effects of the vaccine. https://odysee.com/@Infoweapon...gan:6?&sunset=lbrytv Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking. | |||
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Agree to disagree. I'm a biologist and I work in public health. The split on this issue here and elsewhere is...remarkable. I have no solutions. | |||
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If you see me running try to keep up |
I am in a similar situation, my employer may require a vaccine. This is not like everything else, all other vaccines. If you think that then you have not researched enough and are believing just what they tell you. Unlike EVERY other vaccine, there are zero long term affect studies, there cannot be since it was just developed. People are getting blood clots, enlarged hearts, reproductive problems ect. Maybe you did not but that does not mean someone else will not. People say, well, there are always a small risk for people having adverse affects but that is only a small percentage of people. Well, what if that one person that dies, or gets blood clots, or gets palsy is you? Then it matters. I do know people who have had family members die after getting it. You do not know the long term affects, you may be fine now but wait and see if in 5-10 years you say the same thing. Maybe then I will get it. So, if you do get the vaccine it does not keep it from spreading, it does not keep you from getting it and they admit that it will always be around. SO what exactly is the purpose? Herd compliance. I have decided to quit if I have to, I will not get it. There is no reason to and I have more risks taking it than not getting it. | |||
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You can quit or retire or whatever and go to some other job that doesn't require the vaccine...yet. Sooner or later it will come down to nothing but a few nickel and dime jobs that don't require it. | |||
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And Dr. Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccines is against it. Who has more experience with it, you or him? I have worked with process analyzers for over 20 years, that does not make me a know it all expert that knows everything about them. You may be a biologist but that does not mean you are the most knowledgeable in the world and your knowledge trumps everyone else. Well, maybe it does but you should explain why that is the case. My wife's doctor and mine are against it. Do you know more than them? Perhaps. | |||
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Yeah, you don't need that shot if you decide to make a prudential choice ultimately not to get it, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. "Just go get it, sheep, and be done with it." Unbelievable. Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant. A new study out of Israel suggests natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines, this is after Americans have been told that vaccines offer better protection than natural infections Dr. Anthony Fauci and the rest of President Biden’s COVID advisors have been proven wrong about “the science” of COVID vaccines yet again. The study was described by Bloomberg as “the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity – gained from an earlier infection – to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use.” A few days ago, we noted how remarkable it was that the mainstream press was finally giving voice to scientists to criticize President Biden’s push to start doling out booster jabs. Well, this study further questions the credibility of relying on vaccines, given that the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic. Alex Berenson, a science journalist who has repeatedly questioned the efficacy of vaccines and masks at preventing COVID, touted the study as enough to “end any debate over vaccines v natural immunity.” 1/ Wow. New Israeli preprint shows natural immunity to #SARSCoV2 is FAR superior to the artificial kind – vaccinated people were 13x as likely to be infected and 27x to have symptomatic infections as a matched cohort that was previously infected. And this is with Delta dominant. pic.twitter.com/hhD9h0vyMS — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021 2/ The paper also shows that offering previously infected people one dose slightly reduced their infection risk (though not enough to outweigh side effects, I would argue). Along with the other emerging data, this paper should end any debate over vaccines v natural immunity… — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021 3/ Source: https://t.co/DcCpBoMFWd — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021 Here’s an excerpt from a report by Science Magazine: The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrols about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization was eight times higher. This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won’t acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus. As the first country to achieve widespread coverage by the vaccine, Israel is now in an unthinkable situation: daily case numbers have reached new record levels as the delta variant penetrates the vaccines’ protection like a hot knife slicing through butter. At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. “This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said. Unfortunately, the study also showed that any protection is time-limited. The protection offered by natural infection wanes over time, just like the protection afforded by vaccines: The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13x higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That’s significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak. What’s more, giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. Still, the data don’t tell us anything about the long-term benefits of booster doses. This latest data showing the vaccines don’t offer anywhere near the 90%+ protection that was originally advertised by the FDA after the emergency authorization. Other studies are finding harmful side effects caused by the mRNA jabs are also more prevalent than previously believed. https://www.herald.ng/this-end...s-at-stopping-delta/ ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Polio and Smallpox vaccines had no political standing. Anyone who can't see the difference is blind. | |||
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How many smallpox and polio vaccinations do you have to get annually? 2? 3? Another booster? And another? | |||
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If you see me running try to keep up |
Thanks for the linked info Balze Halze, that will come in handy. | |||
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