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Eye on the Silver Lining |
As with many, a HUGE peeve of mine. We have a medical/retail office, and when anyone comes in with a dog, I request a downstay on the removable carpet (lots of folks with allergies). If I am informed they are a service dog, I certainly ask what service they perform. A bandana is a dead giveaway= Emotional support= I’m not required to allow them in. If they are small enough to tuck in a purse (AND STAY IN THE PURSE), I’ll ignore it. Otherwise, if your pet can’t do a downstay AND STAY PUT, you haven’t the privilege to bring it in my clinic. That includes my own pets (and I have a few dogs). I don’t bring em because I recognize too many people aren’t comfortable/have allergies. What ever happened to being respectful of others?? __________________________ "Trust, but verify." | |||
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My friend...THAT went by the wayside YEARS ago. Common courtesy?? Yeah...F-U!!! Just boggles the mind... "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Simple, but illegal, at least for not-extreme values of not "behaving appropriately." A business can only remove a service animal if it "is out of control and the animal's handler does not take effective action to control it" or if the animal is not housebroken. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/35.136 | |||
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A Grateful American |
Nice fail on the backpedaling. While I find it deplorable that dishonest people are screwing up a needful thing for those truly dependent on service animals and those establishment that try to accommodate, your prior post is loathsome and the weak attempt to walk it back, worse. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Your fake ass "emotional support" dog bites my young daughter in the face, yes, put it down. https://katu.com/news/local/su...-at-portland-airport | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
That trait disappeared a long time ago. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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So if your neighbors aggressive dog comes over and bites your daughters face it's ok? Don't really see the difference whether it's a fake service dog or not. It's the act that's punishable not the title. | |||
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Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing |
It's not so much fake service dogs as it is, "Emotional Support Animals". There's a huge difference. The last hospital I worked at in Arizona we had issues with people bringing their animals into the ER. Including yours truly who was bit by a patient's emotional support. Legally, we could ask if the dog was a service dog but we couldn't ask what disability the dog assisted with. Legitimate service dogs could remain with the patient, emotional support animals weren't allowed in the building. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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Fake service animals are a pet peeve of mine.
I wish it was easier to enforce. MN passed a law that went into effect last year: A person who violates this law is guilty of a petty misdemeanor on their first offense and subject to a fine of $100. Violating the law a second or subsequent time is a misdemeanor, which is considered a criminal offense for which a fine of up to $1000 or 90 days in prison, or both, may be imposed. However, I'd guess it's pretty hard to enforce since the only things that can be asked are if an animal is a service animal and ask what tasks the animal has been trained to perform. Barring someone admitting that the animal isn't a service animal, I'm not sure how it would be enforced (even when most fakes are pretty easy to spot). | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
I was under the impression that you could ask what service the dog provided. Subtle difference: in your example, asking what disability the dog assisted with, you are asking about the patient. In the second phrasing, you're asking about the dog. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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I will be happy to see this get addressed and the loopholes be snapped shut. My son lives in an apartment where he had to pay a hefty additional deposit and added monthly rent so he could keep his dog. His dog is an giant awesome mutt who is quiet, clean and very well behaved. Meanwhile, his assbag of a neighbor went online and got a fake cert for $125.00 so his unruly, barks at everything and shits everywhere dog can live rent and deposit free. | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
ADA is a prime example of Congress not doing their job. They pass legislation with no clear boundaries; the limits of the legislation are therefore determined in court. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Yet after coaching kids for almost 10 years, and fostering dogs for a local rescue for a few years, I feel very comfortable saying... 1 - There are no bad kids, just bad parents. 2 - There are no bad dogs, just bad owners. I've helped rehab some dogs that were screwed up by their owners, and they're terrific animals now. They aren't the 'problem'. I think a better solution to your scenario would be to remove the dog from the owner and give it over to a rescue group, then severely fine and/or jail the owner, also making them responsible for all the medical costs of the person their dog bit and forbidding them from ever owning another dog. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I’m tired of seeing this shit personally like most of you. SAR, .mil, Police, PTSD for Vets, dogs for the blind, and for serious medical conditions are all legit. These pussies with their emotional support bs is bullshit. I could have easily got real service tags and registration for my GSD (worked with SAR) and now Mal but don’t. People are narcissists. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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We are discussing fake service dogs. If a neighbor has some crazy aggressive dog and it bit my kid, put that dog down too. Uncontrollable aggressive dogs should be put down. And I know it is not the dog's "fault", but if you cant control your animal and will not get rid of it or give it to someone that can control it, then put it down. It is a lot easier than reconstructing the face of a 5 year old. And before we go down the rabbit hole of scenarios and "what if's", this is directed to un-controlled aggressive dogs, not ones were some dumb ass parents lets their kid get in the face of an unknown animal (that is under control) without supervision (or asking) and the dog nips at the kid. | |||
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Chip away the stone |
My post was specifically in reply to the post I quoted, which made absolutely no mention of aggression. The post was only a call that all fake service dogs be put down, and their owners put in jail for 366 days. I think it was off the cuff bluster, but worthy of being called out. | |||
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Within the last couple of years, we get a ton of apartment applications from people with "service" animals or emotional support animals. They always threaten me with the ADA, that I'll be committing a crime if I deny them the apartment, yada, yada, yada... Clearly seeing the dog is a pet (people should be more careful with their Facebook presence ), I always tell them that of course service animals are allowed. BTW, how is the dog at your work? Whut?? Yea, you see, to provide a service, a service dog must be with you. Ergo, the animal won't be in the apartment without you. Otherwise, it is just a pet. That is usually the end of the service animal discussion. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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In the yahd, not too fah from the cah |
From the article:
Wouldn't that count as being disruptive? | |||
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Eye on the Silver Lining |
That’s awesome. __________________________ "Trust, but verify." | |||
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Corgis Rock |
Yes, service animals can be removed from a business: “The handler is responsible for the care and supervision of his or her service animal. If a service animal behaves in an unacceptable way and the person with a disability does not control the animal, a business or other entity does not have to allow the animal onto its premises. Uncontrolled barking, jumping on other people, or running away from the handler are examples of unacceptable behavior for a service animal. A business has the right to deny access to a dog that disrupts their business. For example, a service dog that barks repeatedly and disrupts another patron’s enjoyment of a movie could be asked to leave the theater. Businesses, public programs, and transportation providers may exclude a service animal when the animal’s behavior poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others. If a service animal is growling at other shoppers at a grocery store, the handler may be asked to remove the animal.” https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet Emotional support animals are much more restricted “Americans With Disabilities cites that emotional support dogs or animals do not have the training to do specific tasks in assisting a person with disability or impairment, unlike service animals. Hence, the pets may not be allowed to accompany their owner in public places ie. restaurants, stores, hotels. Are Emotional Support Dogs Allowed In Public Places? - ESA ... https://esadoctors.com › are-emotional-su... Emotional support animals must have a letter “What the Letter Must Contain Your letter must contain some details which will inform the recipient that you are: A current patient of the signing mental health professional. Under this mental health professional care and treatment of your disability which is described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders Version IV or V. Substantially limited in performing or participating in at least one of life’s major activities because of your disability. Being prescribed an ESA as an integral part for the treatment of your current condition. The ESA letter must be dated no later than a year from the date of your departure.” Who can write the letter? “ You must be certified as emotionally disabled by a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist or other duly-licensed and/or certified mental health professional. This certification should be a formal and appropriately formatted letter. Any other kind of doctor – a cardiologist, for instance – does not quality as a mental health professional because unlike a psychiatrist, other medical doctors are not specialists in mental health.” https://www.servicedogcertific...onal-support-animal/ “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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