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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
What is that black object coming out of the sky from the upper left part of the screen just after the plane crashes and just before the explosion? It appears at the 9-10 mark and seems to dive right into the crash site just before it explodes.

A bug.

Makes sense.



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I am thinking that a load shifted forward

and it was hard to watch -

there is nothing on the DM site under either news or public affairs yet

I don't know. All I know is what was on the report.

I saw on another video it looked like it hit highway 21 there outside the airport near Pooler

I haven’t heard anything about it actually striking a car which may be the only good news and luck in this ordeal

I never felt unsafe in my limited trips on a 130.

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
One of the FBW systems could have failed like the one that crashed at Dobbins back in 1993.

I know nothing about 'fly by wire' systems, so my question would be, is it common to use them on takeoff?

Jim

Fly-by-wire is just a term for systems that don't use control cables running from the pilot's controls to the control surfaces or their actuators. In FBW, a computer reads a signal from the controls and sends an electrical signal to the computers at the actuators. It's how most every modern jet is controlled and it is an "always on" sort of system. You either have it, or don't.

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
I saw on another video it looked like it hit highway 21 there outside the airport near Pooler

I haven’t heard anything about it actually striking a car which may be the only good news and luck in this ordeal

I never felt unsafe in my limited trips on a 130.

Same here. I always regarded them as a kind of flying box truck.

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Originally posted by Otto Pilot:

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
One of the FBW systems could have failed like the one that crashed at Dobbins back in 1993.

I know nothing about 'fly by wire' systems, so my question would be, is it common to use them on takeoff?

Jim

Fly-by-wire is just a term for systems that don't use control cables running from the pilot's controls to the control surfaces or their actuators. In FBW, a computer reads a signal from the controls and sends an electrical signal to the computers at the actuators. It's how most every modern jet is controlled and it is an "always on" sort of system. You either have it, or don't.

Thanks for the explanation. I just proved that I know little about such things. I was thinking it was like an autopilot option.

Jim

Those PR 130s don't have any FBW system. It's cables with hydraulic assistance.

Tough video. Lots of accidents lately. Prayers for the fallen.

I think it was taking off, headed for Davis Monthan here in Arizona to be grave-yarded. This was it's final flight. Appears to be a traumatic failure - or the pilot hot-dogging it, knowing this was it's final takeoff, and induced a stall. The investigation will yield more answers.

Don't suspect there was any cargo on board. Don't understand the need for 9 personnel aboard either.

I flew as cargo in many of them back in my RDF days, day, night and in bad weather. Brutal but effective aircraft.

Hate to see one go down. It looked horrible on the descent.

I'll be out there an a handful of weeks. I'm sure we'll learn more.

PORT WENTWORTH, Ga. (AP) - An aging C-130 Hercules that rescued and resupplied U.S. citizens after last year's hurricanes crashed onto a highway in Georgia during what was supposed to be its final flight, killing all nine Puerto Ricans on board.

http://www.ktiv.com/story/3810...ia-was-on-final-trip

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Originally posted by Jager:
Appears to be a traumatic failure - or the pilot hot-dogging it, knowing this was it's final takeoff, and induced a stall.

You have to be trying really hard to do a power-on stall in a Herk.

KYANG lost a C-130B in 1989 when doing touch-and-go pilot kicked rudder hard over into a bank and it started to fly sideways; could not recover from stall (loss of forward lift) and flew into hotel, killing 5 on board and 7 on ground. That video reminded me of that incident.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
One of the FBW systems could have failed like the one that crashed at Dobbins back in 1993.

The C130 doesn't use fly by wire flight controls. The dobbins aircraft was a one-off unique flying experimental test bed, using systems not found in the C-130; additionally, it was an L100, not a C-130.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
I've spent many many hours on C-130's. Never had a concern in the world.

I sure have. Both wings cracked completely through in flight, for one.

I have found numerous cracks in C-130 wings, as well, and have gone aft to see fuel spraying out of cracks, in flight.

The C-130 is a great aircraft, and has few bad habits. I won't speculate on what happened here. A process exists for that.

"Maj. Paul Dahlen said the plane, from the 156th Airlift Wing in Puerto Rico, had been in Savannah for "a number of days" undergoing routine maintenance before heading to the Aerospace Regeneration and Maintenance Group in Arizona.
"We don't know the cause of the crash," he said."CNN

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

The C-130 is a great aircraft, and has few bad habits. I won't speculate on what happened here. A process exists for that.

This.

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You have to be trying really hard to do a power-on stall in a Herk.

When you lose one or more engines on one side, it's a given.

Which is my posit. Although the available video is bad, you can see smoke coming from the engines. Failure - or applying power to the others after losing one or more on the other side is my guess. Possible hydraulic failure is another.

My bets are on some sort of flight control issue.

A Herc should have no issues flying after losing 1 motor, especially if it didn't have any cargo onboard - obviously losing 2 on a side would be sporty and it could certainly be the cause.

Or a lesser emergency of some sort, handled poorly by the aircrew while taking off.

Regardless, RIP.