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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Seriously? You guys think this is a simple workplace safety issue, like wearing safety glasses? Let me ask you this: At the end of your shift, can you take off the safety glasses? And have they caused irreparable change/damage to your body? Potentially life destroying adverse effects? Requiring safety glasses is a reasonable accommodation in the workplace. They do not change your life outside of the workplace. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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kidcop = blume9mm. blume9mm = kidcop. Found his burner. There can't be 2 idiots who writes/agrees with that post and supports it publicly in that short of a time frame. So kidcop/blume9mm: If companies with Federal contracts require the employees to be vaccinated does that mean any company that doesn't take Federal contracts can remove their safety equipment? Please I want to hear you admit that you can't differentiate between federal vaccine mandates and OSHA requirements. We're all waiting to hear your spin on this one. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Never have I seen anyone in this forum who so consistently and completely misses the point. See if you can get this through your concrete cranium: No one has the right to force you to have any substance injected into your body and, by extension, your employment should not be conditionally based upon having any substance injected into your body. Now, do you think you can comprehend that? Informed consent. You come in here, taunting members with this completely asinine crap about being "scared of a little needle." Do you want to know who it is that's actually scared? You, that's who. You and all the rest of the sheep who have been brainwashed into believing that if everyone is not vaccinated, you're going to die. Apparently, you have not bothered to become informed with the facts- namely, that the "vaccine" is no vaccine at all. You can get the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated, and you can die from the virus, just like the unvaccinated. You don't have the first clue about any of this. You listen to Fauci and the government propaganda machine and you're convinced that they have the right to tell us what we must do to our bodies. You parade your ignorance through here and you behave like a jackass when you do it, with childish taunts and sarcasm. Partner, listen closely: If you have any sense at all, you will stow that shit immediately and you will never again subject the members of this forum to your idiocy on this matter. No one- you or anyone else- has the right to tell anyone else that they must be injected with this "vaccine" and I have had it with your attitude towards us on this matter. If you ever again open your mouth in this forum about this subject, you run the very high risk of losing your posting rights. You are welcome to discuss in this forum the entire universe of subjects, with the exception of this one. You have displayed your ignorant brainwashing for the last time in this forum. Do you think you might be able to comprehend that? | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Open your mouth again about this subject, in this forum, and I'll ban your ass on the spot. Try me. | |||
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Para said this:
I strongly agree with this morally, but he used the word 'should.' Does an employer have a *legal* right to impose this mandate? Is it 'yes' right now but we're taking this all the way to the Supreme Court where it will ultimately be adjudicated? Year V | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
My answer is NO, no *legal* right to impose this mandate, not now, not ever. The bottom line is this: mandating products authorized for Emergency Use Authorization status (EUA) violates federal law as detailed in the following legal notifications. All COVID vaccines, COVID PCR and antigen tests, and masks are merely EUA-authorized, not approved or licensed, by the federal government. Long-term safety and efficacy have not been proven. EUA products are by definition experimental, which requires people be given the right to refuse them. Under the Nuremberg Code, the foundation of ethical medicine, no one may be coerced to participate in a medical experiment. Consent of the individual is “absolutely essential.” Earlier this year, Mary Holland, Children’s Health Defense president and general counsel, and attorney Greg Glaser stated that federal law prohibits employers from mandating EUA COVID vaccines (or EUA COVID-19 tests or masks). Holland and Glaser wrote: “If a vaccine has been issued EUA by the FDA, it is not fully licensed and must be voluntary. A private party, such as an employer, school or hospital cannot circumvent the EUA law, which prohibits mandates. Indeed, the EUA law preventing mandates is so explicit that there is only one precedent case regarding an attempt to mandate an EUA vaccine.” What to do if your school or employer says you must get the COVID vaccine The Children’s Health Defense legal team has written three legal notifications that anyone faced with a COVID vaccine, COVID test or mask mandate can use to inform employers and universities that they are violating federal law. You can download the three notifications here. All of the notifications include this language: “Federal law, Title 21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, states the following about products granted emergency authorization usage: Individuals to whom the product is administered are informed— (I) that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product; (II) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and (III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks. https://childrenshealthdefense...accines-tests-masks/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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If the Government can start forcing people to put things in their bodies against their will and the tree of liberty doesn't get watered, that tree is going to die. | |||
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I don't know how to reply to the pro-vaccine argument that we already mandate mmr vaccines to children other than that those are diseases for which children are susceptible and Covid isn't, but that implies I'm ok with mandating those vaccines. ETA: my position is evolving on this. I think the answer is I'm against the mandate for those childhood diseases as well. I'm not anti-vaccine. If I had kids, they would definitely get them, but it should be the parents' choice. This is consistent with my position on the Covid vaccine. Year V | |||
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This should NOT be the bottom line. Even if/when the Covid vaccines pass beyond experimental/emergency use, people should STILL have a legal right to choose. Year V | |||
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I would not say they actually have the right to now just because they are doing it. We do need the SC to clear this up and reaffirm our rights for sure. | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
It's simple - the MMR vaccine has proven itself 100% safe over decades of use and was not authorized under emergency dictums. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, the studies conducted on ALL of the Covid-19 vaccines come up ridiculously short of the clinical evidence traditionally used to ensure safety and efficacy. In fact, any other vaccine would have been pulled from the market based on the significant adverse events (SAEs) that have been demonstrated by these vaccines. For those of you not in the drug development game, rest assured the FDA IS a Political Animal, just like every other Gov't agency. | |||
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| Big Stack |
You do realize that at least the Pfizer vaccine now has full FDA approval, correct. To the emergency approval excuse has been removed.
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Not true. Cominarty was approved, but it is not available. In fact, what they are still producing, in the Kansas Pfizer plant is still the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, according to a project veritas interview of an employee there. They extended the EUA for the Pfizer vaccine. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| quarter MOA visionary |
Geissele say it ain't so ....  | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
There is plenty of consumer demand for ammo that whatever new (not existing b/c that doesn't apply) Gov't contracts that Hornady is seeking, if any, can easily make up for loss of Federal $. Hornady's leadership is either spineless and/or dumb as rocks. | |||
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| Made from a different mold  |
Final Answer? Philip Dormitzer, Pfizer Chief Scientific Officer: “HEK293T cells, used for the IVE assay, are ultimately derived from an aborted fetus. On the other hand, the Vatican doctrinal committee has confirmed that they consider it acceptable for Pro-Life believers to be immunized. Pfizer’s official statement couches the answer well and is what should be provided in response to an outside inquiry.” Hmm, sounds like fetal tissue to me  If you'd like to read more follow this link to Project Veritas ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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| Big Stack |
As per the FDA, Cominarty (stupid name) and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are the same thing. The EUA is still in place for children 12-15, but it's for the same vaccine (the dosage may be different.) And also, this press release is over two months old. I think they're getting ready to approve it for young children. But if we're talking about workers over 18, no more EUA. This is fully approved.
Full FDA press release
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Bullshit. They may (or may not-they don't even have to disclose the EUA ingredients and they can change) have the same ingredients, but they are legally distinct. If they were selling something that was FDA approved they would lose liability immunity granted under the EUA. Games Regulators & Lawyers Play as Pfizer FDA Authorization Not Fully That https://trialsitenews.com/game...tion-not-fully-that/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
The IVE assay is a lot release assay and isn't part of the antigenic material used in the shot. Good grief, that's the Final Answer. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
The issue isn’t whether or not an employer can set conditions of employment for employees. The executive branch of the US government has no authority to force US citizens to get a vaccine. If they did, they would. They could if the legislative branch gave them that authority, but that hasn’t happened and isn’t likely to either. Instead, the executive branch is taking a page out of MI’s Governor Whitmer’s playbook and using existing laws in creative ways to force businesses to accomplish goals the government cannot accomplish directly. It’s an incredible abuse of power; one that the checks and balances of having three branches of government was supposed to prevent. Where does it stop? | |||
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