Lets say you have a 7-8 year old electric car. Are they going to have any resale value to them . I mean how long or how many miles are they good for. That would keep me from buying one. The replacement cost of the batteries is extremely high. And there is going to be the cost of what to do with the old batteries.

Depends entirely on the vehicle, condition and miles.

Just like regular cars, some will hold their value incredibly well and others will tank.

The old batteries actually have value, for the precious metals in them.

if you buy one before the battery replacement requirement, I'd say the value of the car is slim to none, or at least a value less the cost of a battery pack

At this juncture in the evolution of the electric car I would venture to say that most electric car buyers are more in tune with the green aspect of the vehicle as opposed to the economics of operating and owning costs. There are those that would argue that the green aspect isn't that great either when the carbon footprint of the generation of the electricity to charge the battery is factored in.

I thought the current Tesla batteries are good for 300k? For most that would be 20 years or more. By that time the rest of the car will be pretty shot as well. If not the battery replacement in 20 years will be a lot cheaper than it is now.

I'm not a fan of the idea of carbon footprints

its a contrived term with zero scientific quantifiable relevance

I think most electric cars are a novelty at this point so if someone buys one and gets stuck with a $10,000 bill for new batteries then more power to them - pun intended

its not green when you have to plug it in at night to recharge it...where and how was the power that power generated? coal, nuclear, gas...well you get the idea

I see a Pious on the road and I want to run it into a ditch

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
I thought the current Tesla batteries are good for 300k? For most that would be 20 years or more. By that time the rest of the car will be pretty shot as well. If not the battery replacement in 20 years will be a lot cheaper than it is now.

You may be right, but I don't think a battery whether its Tesla or not would last 20 years.

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its not green when you have to plug it in at night to recharge it...where and how was the power that power generated? coal, nuclear, gas...well you get the idea

I see a Pious on the road and I want to run it into a ditch

When it's plugged in at night it's probably from power generated from coal or nuke, not gas, as gas is usually reserved for peak load times. Shitty coal plants run around 40% thermal efficiency, and combined-cycle runs closer to 60%. Internal combustion engines average 20% or so. Power plants generally have much more robust & sophisticated scrubbing than ICE automobiles. So yeah, as much as I dislike all the "muh going green" shit, it's much more green to drive an electric car than a gas car, period. Much less green to build, but much greener to drive.

Not sure why a Prius would frustrate you to the point of wanting to kill the driver. It's not even electric, it's a hybrid. Its electricity comes from regenerative braking. But I mean, yeah, fuck resource conservation, who needs resources right? Those who choose to conserve resources when it causes zero negative impact are such fags am I right?

Very cringe Boomer take here.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
I thought the current Tesla batteries are good for 300k? For most that would be 20 years or more. By that time the rest of the car will be pretty shot as well. If not the battery replacement in 20 years will be a lot cheaper than it is now.

You may be right, but I don't think a battery whether its Tesla or not would last 20 years.

The prius is 23 years old now and I think the. Artery life has exceeded all expectations. People thought they would be lucky to make it to 100k and people got well over 200k miles out of them and 15+ yrs of life. They can also be replaced at home pretty affordably. The prius can also run perfectly fine with a dead hybrid battery, it's just even slower and doesn't get great mileage anymore.

The most efficient car is a used one.

Any new car takes massive resources to build, and building electric cars is wildly inefficient because sales on them are so low

There is a Prius for sale near where I live. It has been there about four months. The guy was asking $300.

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Not sure why a Prius would frustrate you to the point of wanting to kill the driver.

Because if the smug coming off the driver were to merge with a George Clooney acceptance speech, it could doom us all.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
At this juncture in the evolution of the electric car I would venture to say that most electric car buyers are more in tune with the green aspect of the vehicle as opposed to the economics of operating and owning costs. There are those that would argue that the green aspect isn't that great either when the carbon footprint of the generation of the electricity to charge the battery is factored in.

I’m one electric car buyer who leased first, for $200 a month, then bought it at lease end for $6700 + $1600 for a 7 year factory bumper to bumper warranty bringing total bumper to bumper warranty to 10 years since I took possession. The kWh that powers it is 100% solar. 35 of them sit on my roof. I did it for financial reasons. The panels and the car. And I happily burn fuel on the weekend. The electric toaster is merely the mule, my daily driver. When the battery pack is depleted I’ll buy another battery pack for it. It’s paid off and has many years of daily driving before I need to concern myself with it. The maintenance has been nil. A 12v battery under warranty, in cabin air filters and tires. I’ve had it long enough now I need to flush the brake fluid out and replace it. There have been some priceless moments pulling up to the outdoor gun range, and the laser engraver for my SBR.

I think most electric car buyers buy them for status. I never had any interest in the Tesla’s due to the cost. For a beater, I’ll never go back to gas. Gas is for fun, motorcycles, sports cars, towing, and watercraft. Boring mundane driving I love the EV, and I’m a gear/petrol head.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
I thought the current Tesla batteries are good for 300k? For most that would be 20 years or more. By that time the rest of the car will be pretty shot as well. If not the battery replacement in 20 years will be a lot cheaper than it is now.

You may be right, but I don't think a battery whether its Tesla or not would last 20 years.

I wouldn’t think so either but it would be based on a guess.

I wonder when the Volt came out. I remember seeing some people with crazy high mileage. It would be interesting how well that fleet of batteries lasted. If they lasted a long time I wouldn’t worry so much about the current batteries.

I just wonder how GREEN it will be when it's time to trash the batteries?

Where is all that chemical and nasty stuff the batteries are made of go?

I think the idea of green is just that an idea.

It's like pay me now or pay me later.

Bob

While conventional cars have 18-49 pounds of copper, hybrid electric vehicles (HEV) contain approximately 85 pounds, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) use 132 pounds, battery electric vehicles (BEVs) contain 183 pounds, a hybrid electric bus contains 196 pounds, and a battery electric bus contains 814 pounds.

https://www.visualcapitalist.c...an-electric-vehicle/

Don’t let the tweakers know about all those precious metals inside electric cars. They will shift focus from stealing catalytic converters over to electric cars.

How easy is it to steal the electric motor?