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Lisa Page and Peter Strzok


Those 2 might need to be placed in witness protection...


Only if they are going to say or reveal something useful.

Otherwise (in the voice of the Soup Nazi) No witsec for you!
 
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GOP Rep. Devin Nunes of Calif., chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, may invite Chief Justice John Roberts to testify before the panel on alleged FISA abuses.

Nunes told radio host and Republican wise man Hugh Hewitt Thursday that committee Republicans have entertained the idea, as Roberts appoints all FISA judges, but cautioned no decision has yet been made. Hewitt and Nunes discussed the idea in connection with the committee’s memo on the secret intelligence courts, which alleged the FBI sought authorization to surveil President Donald Trump’s campaign aides on the basis of political opposition research.

“Now the chief justice appoints the FISA judges,” Hewitt said. “Have you had a chance to chat with him or any of the FISA judges about what went on at the FISA court with regard to the [Carter] Page application?”

“This is something that we’ve been grappling with all through this investigation,” Nunes replied. “We decided that we wanted to complete the FISA abuse portion before we approached the courts. Our next step with the courts is to make them aware, if they’re not aware already, so we will be sending a letter to the court.”

He added that Roberts may yet be invited to testify.

“I would encourage you to do that, because I would like to see if the chief justice would inform you of their reactions,” Hewitt said.

It’s not clear what purpose, if any, Roberts’ testimony could serve. Steve Vladeck, a constitutional and national security law professor at the University of Texas, told The Daily Caller News Foundation that the chief has no authority to supervise the FISA courts, meaning his testimony would be of limited utility.

“There’s no mechanism for the chief justice to police the FISA court other than as part of the appellate review that the Supreme Court may exercise in cases arising from that court,” he said. “Indeed, although FISA empowers the chief justice to designate judges to the FISA court, it says nothing at all about supervising them thereafter — or removing them prior to the expiration of their seven-year terms.”

Vladeck also noted that the justices restrict their comments on specific matters of law to the cases properly before the high court, and have never been invited to Congress to answer substantive legal questions.

“There is absolutely no circumstance in which it would be appropriate, formally or informally, for the House Intelligence Committee to seek the chief justice’s views on the legal validity of a specific FISA order,” he said.

Congress does not have the power to compel Roberts’ appearance before the committee, though some justices have appeared in the past to discuss administrative issues. Justices Antonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer answered questions before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2011, where they discussed judicial transparency and the role of judges at a general level.

Nunes himself acknowledged it would be highly irregular to seek the chief’s input on FISA applications.

“I’m not aware of any time where a judge has, for lack of a better term, testified before the Congress,” he conceded.


http://dailycaller.com/2018/02...tify-on-fisa-abuses/
 
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"The last text is from Page to Strzok, and comes on June 23, 2017, when she wrote, "Please don't ever text me again."


Translation: "oh SHIT! We are busted! ShitShitShitShitShitShitShit!"


 
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GOP Rep. Devin Nunes of Calif., chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, may invite Chief Justice John Roberts to testify before the panel on alleged FISA abuses.

Nunes told radio host and Republican wise man Hugh Hewitt Thursday that committee Republicans have entertained the idea, as Roberts appoints all FISA judges, but cautioned no decision has yet been made. Hewitt and Nunes discussed the idea in connection with the committee’s memo on the secret intelligence courts, which alleged the FBI sought authorization to surveil President Donald Trump’s campaign aides on the basis of political opposition research.

“Now the chief justice appoints the FISA judges,” Hewitt said. “Have you had a chance to chat with him or any of the FISA judges about what went on at the FISA court with regard to the [Carter] Page application?”

“This is something that we’ve been grappling with all through this investigation,” Nunes replied. “We decided that we wanted to complete the FISA abuse portion before we approached the courts. Our next step with the courts is to make them aware, if they’re not aware already, so we will be sending a letter to the court.”

He added that Roberts may yet be invited to testify.

“I would encourage you to do that, because I would like to see if the chief justice would inform you of their reactions,” Hewitt said.

It’s not clear what purpose, if any, Roberts’ testimony could serve. Steve Vladeck, a constitutional and national security law professor at the University of Texas, told The Daily Caller News Foundation that the chief has no authority to supervise the FISA courts, meaning his testimony would be of limited utility.

“There’s no mechanism for the chief justice to police the FISA court other than as part of the appellate review that the Supreme Court may exercise in cases arising from that court,” he said. “Indeed, although FISA empowers the chief justice to designate judges to the FISA court, it says nothing at all about supervising them thereafter — or removing them prior to the expiration of their seven-year terms.”

Vladeck also noted that the justices restrict their comments on specific matters of law to the cases properly before the high court, and have never been invited to Congress to answer substantive legal questions.

“There is absolutely no circumstance in which it would be appropriate, formally or informally, for the House Intelligence Committee to seek the chief justice’s views on the legal validity of a specific FISA order,” he said.

Congress does not have the power to compel Roberts’ appearance before the committee, though some justices have appeared in the past to discuss administrative issues. Justices Antonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer answered questions before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2011, where they discussed judicial transparency and the role of judges at a general level.

Nunes himself acknowledged it would be highly irregular to seek the chief’s input on FISA applications.

“I’m not aware of any time where a judge has, for lack of a better term, testified before the Congress,” he conceded.


http://dailycaller.com/2018/02...tify-on-fisa-abuses/


Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions.


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Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions.
That we know of? Richard Nixon
 
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Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions.


I bet it has happened a lot, but not with the technological ahhhh, sophistication we now employ.

The Chief Justice has nothing to say about this. Hewitt knows better, or he is more of a moron than I thought.

Gowdy knows better. Nunes will not be subpoenaing the Chief Justice.

Good grief.




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“Indeed, although FISA empowers the chief justice to designate judges to the FISA court, it says nothing at all about supervising them thereafter
I'm clearly too lazy to look this up, but who EXACTLY does supervise them?


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I'm clearly too lazy to look this up, but who EXACTLY does supervise them?


Supervising a federal judge! There is a concept for ya!

Nobody, except through whatever appellate process there may be. There is limited review by the FISC en banc, all of them. I imagine one could appeal to the DC circuit, but maybe those judges are not cleared at the required level.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions.


I bet it has happened a lot, but not with the technological ahhhh, sophistication we now employ.

The Chief Justice has nothing to say about this. Hewitt knows better, or he is more of a moron than I thought.

Gowdy knows better. Nunes will not be subpoenaing the Chief Justice.

Good grief.


Hewitt is or was VERY anti-Trump, iirc. He's been like Rush and Prager lately and trying to get back on the people's "good side" in order to keep his audience. (imo)




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Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions.


I bet it has happened a lot, but not with the technological ahhhh, sophistication we now employ.

The Chief Justice has nothing to say about this. Hewitt knows better, or he is more of a moron than I thought.

Gowdy knows better. Nunes will not be subpoenaing the Chief Justice.

Good grief.


Hewitt is or was VERY anti-Trump, iirc. He's been like Rush and Prager lately and trying to get back on the people's "good side" in order to keep his audience. (imo)


I can’t how being a moron helps him there. He’s proud of being a lawyer, pretends to be able to discuss legal issues with law school deans, etc.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I’ve read further into the transcript of the interview of Carter Page with the House Select Committee on Intelligence.

There is no way this guy can be characterized as foreign affairs advisor to the Trump Campaign. He had one function I did not..... he went to a dinner with a bunch of other nobodies who were to be formed into a committee. Other than that, nothing, nada, crickets.

Maybe I’ve overlooked some facts here, but I don’t see any serious connection at all.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I agree about Carter Page. It is almost laughable because he was so uninvolved. Similar to Papadopolous.

I think the story about Page being undercover is wrong. there was an undercover agent, but I don't think it was Page.

On p11 of this thread is the official court records of Carter Page and the Russians in 2013.

Page didn't know the 2 Russians worked for the Russian govt. Page has said he is "male-1" in the report

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how did Carter Page get the attention of Fusion GPS ?

In a Mar 2016 interview w the Wash Post, Donald Trump was asked who was on his foreign policy team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.60a81a327cde


"TRUMP: Well, I hadn’t thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page , PhD; George Papadopoulos , he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group."

Keep in mind at this early stage of Mar 2016, President Trump was having a difficult time getting good people on his team. That opened the door for low level types like Page and Papadopolous.

Glenn Simpson of Fusion had a specialty of searching open source info to find dirt for his clients.

It is highly likely Simpson found this article in his searches. He would have viewed Page and Papadopolous as good candidates to exploit.

Page was an immediate exploitation candidate because of the 2013 involvement that came out in a 2015 trial.

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Sdy, drop me an e-mail, if you please. My address is in my profile.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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So where is the GDC memo?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is seeking transcripts from a top secret national security court regarding the FBI and Justice Department's application for a surveillance warrant for a Trump campaign aide, according to a congressional letter obtained by Fox News.

Writing to Rosemary M. Collyer, the presiding judge at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Nunes asked for transcripts of "any relevant FISC hearings associated with the initial FISA application or subsequent renewals related to electronic surveillance of Carter Page."

The Page surveillance warrant, first granted in October 2016, and the evidence used to secure it are at the heart of the controversial memo Nunes and the White House released last week on alleged surveillance abuse.

The Republican staff-authored memo claimed that the unverified anti-Trump dossier was critical for the surveillance warrant application, and that the government omitted key information about its political funding. Lawmakers have clashed over that document for weeks, and a Democrat-authored rebuttal memo could be released as early as Friday.

Transcripts from the application hearings could speak to a central issue in the debate: to what extent the FBI and DOJ relied on the dossier.

Nunes continued, "The Committee found that the FBI and DOJ failed to disclose the specific political actors paying for uncorroborated information that formed a substantial part of the FISA application, misled the FISC regarding dissemination of this information, and failed to correct these errors in the subsequent renewals."

The FISA court granted the original surveillance warrant on Oct. 21, 2016, and then three subsequent renewals. A source close to the matter said the FBI and Justice Department knew when the original October 2016 application was made that the Trump dossier was funded by the DNC and Clinton campaign but went to considerable lengths to avoid the disclosure to the court, calling it a political document.

Democrats have called the Nunes memo incomplete and misleading.

Only the government may come before the FISA court, so the bar for evidence is considered particularly high. There is also an obligation to be transparent about potential conflicts, such as the DNC and Clinton campaign funding.

The intelligence committee is asking the court to respond by Feb. 16 and, if transcripts exist, provide them.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I am willing to bet that the democrat fabrication memo will be released about 5:30 DC time after everyone goes home...



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Here is a terrific article if you think this whole Russian investigation is bogus

A big irony here.

This is from the Wash Free Beacon

They were the ones who funded Fusion GPS to get dirt on Trump until the REP primaries were basically over. Then Fusion lined up Clinton sponsors.

http://freebeacon.com/national...crutiny-fisa-abuses/

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Fox just reported that Pres. Trump has sent a letter declining to declassify the Democrat produced memo, but offering to work woth Democrats to produce a memo that meets everyone’s requirements while preserving sources and methods.

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The White House on Friday told Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee to redraft their rebuttal to a controversial GOP memo alleging government surveillance abuse during the 2016 campaign, saying sensitive details need to be stripped out before the document can be made public.

The message was sent to the committee on Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information."

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

Earlier this week, the House Intelligence Committee approved the release of the Democrats' memo, giving Trump five days to consider whether he should block publication for national security reasons.

For the moment, the White House letter halts the release.

“The President’s double standard when it comes to transparency is appalling," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement after the release of McGahn's letter. "The rationale for releasing the Nunes memo, transparency, vanishes when it could show information that’s harmful to him. Millions of Americans are asking one simple question: What is he hiding?”

Democrats have been expected to use their memo to try to undermine Republican claims that the FBI and DOJ relied heavily on the anti-Trump dossier to get a warrant to spy on a Trump associate -- and omitted key information about the document's political funding. Democrats claim the GOP memo was misleading.

"We think this will help inform the public of the many distortions and inaccuracies in the majority memo," California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the panel, said Monday.

But it had been expected that the Democrats' memo might raise red flags during the review period.

A source who read the FISA rebuttal memo told Fox News earlier this week that it is filled with sources and methods taken from the original documents. The source argued that this was done to strategically force the White House to either deny release of the memo or substantially redact it, so that Democrats could accuse the White House of making redactions for political reasons.


South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy, a GOP member of the committee, said during an interview this week on Fox News’ “The Story with Martha MacCallum” that Democrats “are politically smart enough to put things in the memo” that have to be redacted.

“Therefore, it creates this belief that there's something being hidden from the American people,” Gowdy said.

Last Friday, Republicans on the intelligence committee released their much-anticipated memo from Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif.

It also said the FBI and DOJ “ignored or concealed” dossier author Christopher Steele’s “anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations" when asking the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for permission to eavesdrop on former Trump adviser Carter Page.

Democrats have been pushing back against those claims and accusing Republicans of exaggerations.


Earlier this week, a newly released version of a letter from Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., appeared to support key claims from the GOP memo.

The surveillance applications, they said in a criminal referral for Steele sent in early January to FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, “relied heavily on Mr. Steele’s dossier claims.”

Further, they said the application “failed to disclose” funding from the Clinton campaign and DNC.

The referral also helped explain a point of contention in recent days, after Nunes seemed to admit on “Fox & Friends” that the FBI application did include a “footnote” acknowledging some political origins of the dossier. This admission helped fueled Democratic claims that the dossier’s political connection was not concealed from the surveillance court as alleged.

According to Grassley and Graham’s referral, the FBI “noted to a vaguely limited extent the political origins of the dossier” in a footnote that said the information was compiled at the direction of a law firm “who had hired an ‘identified U.S. person’ – now known as Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS.” A subsequent passage in the letter is redacted. But they said the DNC and Clinton campaign were not mentioned.

Republicans have seized on the Nunes document to make the accusation of widespread anti-Trump bias at the top of the FBI and DOJ that sparked inquiries into Trump campaign relations with Russia during the election.

The president has repeatedly said there was “no collusion” between his campaign and Russia. The White House responded to the Republican memo last week by saying it “raises serious concerns about the integrity of decisions made at the highest levels of the Department of Justice and the FBI to use the government’s most intrusive surveillance tools against American citizens.”

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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Fox just reported that Pres. Trump has sent a letter declining to declassify the Democrat produced memo, but offering to work woth Democrats to produce a memo that meets everyone’s requirements while preserving sources and methods.


Damn, I was hoping he'd declassify it along with the source documents in a "Fuck You! I am Millwall!" moment.





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