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Uppity Helot |
Only if they are going to say or reveal something useful. Otherwise (in the voice of the Soup Nazi) No witsec for you! | |||
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GOP Rep. Devin Nunes of Calif., chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, may invite Chief Justice John Roberts to testify before the panel on alleged FISA abuses. Nunes told radio host and Republican wise man Hugh Hewitt Thursday that committee Republicans have entertained the idea, as Roberts appoints all FISA judges, but cautioned no decision has yet been made. Hewitt and Nunes discussed the idea in connection with the committee’s memo on the secret intelligence courts, which alleged the FBI sought authorization to surveil President Donald Trump’s campaign aides on the basis of political opposition research. “Now the chief justice appoints the FISA judges,” Hewitt said. “Have you had a chance to chat with him or any of the FISA judges about what went on at the FISA court with regard to the [Carter] Page application?” “This is something that we’ve been grappling with all through this investigation,” Nunes replied. “We decided that we wanted to complete the FISA abuse portion before we approached the courts. Our next step with the courts is to make them aware, if they’re not aware already, so we will be sending a letter to the court.” He added that Roberts may yet be invited to testify. “I would encourage you to do that, because I would like to see if the chief justice would inform you of their reactions,” Hewitt said. It’s not clear what purpose, if any, Roberts’ testimony could serve. Steve Vladeck, a constitutional and national security law professor at the University of Texas, told The Daily Caller News Foundation that the chief has no authority to supervise the FISA courts, meaning his testimony would be of limited utility. “There’s no mechanism for the chief justice to police the FISA court other than as part of the appellate review that the Supreme Court may exercise in cases arising from that court,” he said. “Indeed, although FISA empowers the chief justice to designate judges to the FISA court, it says nothing at all about supervising them thereafter — or removing them prior to the expiration of their seven-year terms.” Vladeck also noted that the justices restrict their comments on specific matters of law to the cases properly before the high court, and have never been invited to Congress to answer substantive legal questions. “There is absolutely no circumstance in which it would be appropriate, formally or informally, for the House Intelligence Committee to seek the chief justice’s views on the legal validity of a specific FISA order,” he said. Congress does not have the power to compel Roberts’ appearance before the committee, though some justices have appeared in the past to discuss administrative issues. Justices Antonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer answered questions before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2011, where they discussed judicial transparency and the role of judges at a general level. Nunes himself acknowledged it would be highly irregular to seek the chief’s input on FISA applications. “I’m not aware of any time where a judge has, for lack of a better term, testified before the Congress,” he conceded. http://dailycaller.com/2018/02...tify-on-fisa-abuses/ | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Translation: "oh SHIT! We are busted! ShitShitShitShitShitShitShit!" | |||
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Ubique |
Can anyone remember the last time one president (or his administration) spied on a presidential candidate? Seems unusual circumstances demand irregular actions. Calgary Shooting Centre | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
That we know of? Richard Nixon | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I bet it has happened a lot, but not with the technological ahhhh, sophistication we now employ. The Chief Justice has nothing to say about this. Hewitt knows better, or he is more of a moron than I thought. Gowdy knows better. Nunes will not be subpoenaing the Chief Justice. Good grief. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
I'm clearly too lazy to look this up, but who EXACTLY does supervise them? __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Supervising a federal judge! There is a concept for ya! Nobody, except through whatever appellate process there may be. There is limited review by the FISC en banc, all of them. I imagine one could appeal to the DC circuit, but maybe those judges are not cleared at the required level. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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bigger government = smaller citizen |
Hewitt is or was VERY anti-Trump, iirc. He's been like Rush and Prager lately and trying to get back on the people's "good side" in order to keep his audience. (imo) “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I can’t how being a moron helps him there. He’s proud of being a lawyer, pretends to be able to discuss legal issues with law school deans, etc. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I’ve read further into the transcript of the interview of Carter Page with the House Select Committee on Intelligence. There is no way this guy can be characterized as foreign affairs advisor to the Trump Campaign. He had one function I did not..... he went to a dinner with a bunch of other nobodies who were to be formed into a committee. Other than that, nothing, nada, crickets. Maybe I’ve overlooked some facts here, but I don’t see any serious connection at all. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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wishing we were congress |
I agree about Carter Page. It is almost laughable because he was so uninvolved. Similar to Papadopolous. I think the story about Page being undercover is wrong. there was an undercover agent, but I don't think it was Page. On p11 of this thread is the official court records of Carter Page and the Russians in 2013. Page didn't know the 2 Russians worked for the Russian govt. Page has said he is "male-1" in the report ******************* how did Carter Page get the attention of Fusion GPS ? In a Mar 2016 interview w the Wash Post, Donald Trump was asked who was on his foreign policy team. https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.60a81a327cde "TRUMP: Well, I hadn’t thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page , PhD; George Papadopoulos , he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group." Keep in mind at this early stage of Mar 2016, President Trump was having a difficult time getting good people on his team. That opened the door for low level types like Page and Papadopolous. Glenn Simpson of Fusion had a specialty of searching open source info to find dirt for his clients. It is highly likely Simpson found this article in his searches. He would have viewed Page and Papadopolous as good candidates to exploit. Page was an immediate exploitation candidate because of the 2013 involvement that came out in a 2015 trial.This message has been edited. Last edited by: sdy, | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Sdy, drop me an e-mail, if you please. My address is in my profile. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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wishing we were congress |
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
So where is the GDC memo? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is seeking transcripts from a top secret national security court regarding the FBI and Justice Department's application for a surveillance warrant for a Trump campaign aide, according to a congressional letter obtained by Fox News. Writing to Rosemary M. Collyer, the presiding judge at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Nunes asked for transcripts of "any relevant FISC hearings associated with the initial FISA application or subsequent renewals related to electronic surveillance of Carter Page." The Page surveillance warrant, first granted in October 2016, and the evidence used to secure it are at the heart of the controversial memo Nunes and the White House released last week on alleged surveillance abuse. The Republican staff-authored memo claimed that the unverified anti-Trump dossier was critical for the surveillance warrant application, and that the government omitted key information about its political funding. Lawmakers have clashed over that document for weeks, and a Democrat-authored rebuttal memo could be released as early as Friday. Transcripts from the application hearings could speak to a central issue in the debate: to what extent the FBI and DOJ relied on the dossier. Nunes continued, "The Committee found that the FBI and DOJ failed to disclose the specific political actors paying for uncorroborated information that formed a substantial part of the FISA application, misled the FISC regarding dissemination of this information, and failed to correct these errors in the subsequent renewals." The FISA court granted the original surveillance warrant on Oct. 21, 2016, and then three subsequent renewals. A source close to the matter said the FBI and Justice Department knew when the original October 2016 application was made that the Trump dossier was funded by the DNC and Clinton campaign but went to considerable lengths to avoid the disclosure to the court, calling it a political document. Democrats have called the Nunes memo incomplete and misleading. Only the government may come before the FISA court, so the bar for evidence is considered particularly high. There is also an obligation to be transparent about potential conflicts, such as the DNC and Clinton campaign funding. The intelligence committee is asking the court to respond by Feb. 16 and, if transcripts exist, provide them. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Political Cynic |
I am willing to bet that the democrat fabrication memo will be released about 5:30 DC time after everyone goes home... [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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wishing we were congress |
Here is a terrific article if you think this whole Russian investigation is bogus A big irony here. This is from the Wash Free Beacon They were the ones who funded Fusion GPS to get dirt on Trump until the REP primaries were basically over. Then Fusion lined up Clinton sponsors. http://freebeacon.com/national...crutiny-fisa-abuses/ enjoyable | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Fox just reported that Pres. Trump has sent a letter declining to declassify the Democrat produced memo, but offering to work woth Democrats to produce a memo that meets everyone’s requirements while preserving sources and methods. This message has been edited. Last edited by: JALLEN, Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Damn, I was hoping he'd declassify it along with the source documents in a "Fuck You! I am Millwall!" moment. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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