Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply |
Staring back from the abyss |
Ahhh...no worries fellas. Us taxpayers will bail them out. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
|
I can't tell if I'm tired, or just lazy |
Ain't that the truth!! _____________________________ "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living." "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin | |||
|
Ammoholic |
Maybe we can just enjoy some creamed gasoline or gasoline on a cob? Burning our food has never made sense to me. If they were burning it to stabilize prices that might be one thing, or if it was better for the environment, or if it didn't ruin fuel injectors and carbs. Why the hell are we burning our food again? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
|
Drill Here, Drill Now |
Trying to find common sense in government regulations is a fool's errand. Call your Congressional Critters and ask them to write legislation suspending ethanol in gasoline until Sept 2020. It can be suspended in state of emergency, but I'm uncertain how long can be in effect since past ones were usual to make-up for outages in areas requiring r-bob (i.e. they allowed non-ethanol gasoline to be sold in the area during the upset). Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
|
Member |
The floods are a setback but the farmers will be back next year better than ever. Most have crop insurance to cover much of their losses. I expect some disaster relief the same as if we were hit on the coast by a hurricane. I grew up in a major corn producing area where most of my family was involved in corn and livestock production. When I was a lad on the farm in the Midwest, if we got more than 60-70 bushel of corn per acre we had a great year. Even then, the U.S. was producing far more feedstock than the world could use and corn prices were depressed due to surplus. Corn production methods and hybrids have improved to the point that the average yield is 175 bushels per acre, with some farms producing as much as 300. There are not enough humans and livestock on the planet to eat all that corn. (By the way, dried distiller grains are used as supplements in livestock feed). If you drive through the Midwest most years during the corn harvest you will see mountains of corn piled on the ground awaiting transport because there is no storage space for all of it. That increase in production numbers is driven by the demand for ethanol. That is a good thing for farmers-the biofuels boom is the first time in my lifetime that farmers have enjoyed a decent income. The same guys who are growing corn for ethanol are also growing wheat, soybeans, pork, beef, chickens, and various other crops, and providing tremendous ancillary feed sources to wildlife. And of course they are feeding corn to their livestock. Henry Ford in the 1920's advocated the use of biofuels in automobiles and his Model T was designed to use alcohol as well as fossil fuels. A practical consideration was that fuel distribution in rural areas was not reliable but you could distill your own fuel and keep your machines running. When I was a kid you could find an old still in a lot of old barns. Ford saw biofuels as the fuel of the future back in the 20's for a number of reasons, including it being cheaper and cleaner burning than gasoline and that is was available to everyone and renewable. Ford also believed your engine stayed cleaner and lasted longer with ethanol. The ethanol industry was destroyed by prohibition. Some conspiracy theorists suggest prohibition was encouraged by big oil as a way of killing ethanol but I think it was just easier to pump oil out of the ground than to grow and distil it. Major scientific and economic interest in biofuels was stimulated by the fuel crisis of the 70's along with concerns for the environment and dependence on foreign oil. Fully 10% of gasoline in the US is ethanol. We are once again the world's largest exporter of oil. The economic impact of ethanol is profound, and a large segment of the population (farmers and ethanol producers) get to share in the wealth rather than leaving it all to big oil. Some believe the future of ethanol is cellulose which will replace feedstock grains. We have already seen some work being done with pine tree trash, and sugar cane is a well established source of ethanol. We are in the driver's seat with ethanol production because we have the land and the ability to produce unlimited quantities of biomass. Whatever happens with corn production this year, ethanol is here to stay and is going to play an even more prominent role in fuels in the future. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
|
We gonna get some oojima in this house! |
Ethanol is energy negative and is in place as a subsidy and stabilizer for us corn production. As in, for every 10 BTU of energy derived from corn, it takes 11-13 BTU of petro to produce it. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
|
Member |
With respect, that data is more than 20 years out of date. Advances in production and technology has made Corn ethanol become energy positive. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
|
Still finding my way |
Ethanol is like water in your whiskey. Just a way for the bar to make a bigger profit. It does NOTHING to reduce emissions. | |||
|
quarter MOA visionary |
Actually a few drops of water releases aroma and opens up whisky (no "E"). FWIW, drink prices in bars are not moved by the amount of water in the cocktail. | |||
|
Member |
. Are you in the hay business? Thanks | |||
|
Member |
I was-retired from that when the cost of diesel and fertilizer went through the roof CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
|
Get my pies outta the oven! |
Oh man, this is BAD. They are now saying this may be one of the worst crop failures the United States has ever seen. From Zero Hedge:
Link | |||
|
Member |
No of our ground has been planted yet. The trickle down will be considerable in local economies. The equipment dealers won't be selling parts. Their service departments won't be billing labor hours. If you do have a good corn field every deer in the township will find it. Not gonna be a good year for the average farmer in Ohio anyway. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
|
Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 |
Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |