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January 25, 2020, 06:13 PM
Shifferbrains
Mechanics? Help Needed - 2006 Ford F-150 4.6L Idles Rough/Stumbles
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Well, right now I would say that the new EGR is faulty, or there is vacuum to the EGR at idle.


I pulled the vacuum lines off of the EGR while at isle on park, and it smoothed out. There is a very slight vacuum being pulled on the lines.

Top line: approx 11
Bottom line: approx 17


Now we are getting somewhere. The EGR control valve is the next thing to check.


I have 2 vac solenoids that I see. One is above brake booster and the other is on passenger side firewall behind battery.


The one above the brake booster, does it look like it has a cap on it?


Yes. And the bottom vac line has what looks like a green cap as well.


The green cap is for the EVAP system usually. I think that solenoid is your EVAP solenoid. That should not be hooked to the EGR at all.
January 25, 2020, 06:18 PM
RBeach
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:

The green cap is for the EVAP system usually. I think that solenoid is your EVAP solenoid. That should not be hooked to the EGR at all.


It appears the 2 lines for the EGR come off and go around front and into passenger side of intake and not into a solenoid. I should mention that there is an electronic type of solenoid on top of my EGR valve. I probably should have prefaced with that.

It is Motorcraft part # CX2064 for reference.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 06:26 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:

The green cap is for the EVAP system usually. I think that solenoid is your EVAP solenoid. That should not be hooked to the EGR at all.


It appears the 2 lines for the EGR come off and go around front and into passenger side of intake and not into a solenoid. I should mention that there is an electronic type of solenoid on top of my EGR valve. I probably should have prefaced with that.

It is Motorcraft part # CX2064 for reference.


OK, these lines are supposed to have vacuum all of the time. Looks like you have a faulty EGR valve. The solenoid is either partially open or it is being electrically opened.
January 25, 2020, 06:54 PM
Shifferbrains
Where we are now, with the EGR vacuum lines disconnected the engine smooths out. Does this mean it completely smooths out, or just some? Plug off the vacuum lines and go for a quick drive to see how the idle and acceleration feel.


Another check to do, hook the vacuum lines back up and verify rough running. Next disconnect the electrical connector from the solenoid. If the engine smooths out, then there might be a shorted wire, or other wiring issue, up to and including with the PCM.
January 25, 2020, 07:31 PM
RBeach
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Where we are now, with the EGR vacuum lines disconnected the engine smooths out. Does this mean it completely smooths out, or just some? Plug off the vacuum lines and go for a quick drive to see how the idle and acceleration feel.


Another check to do, hook the vacuum lines back up and verify rough running. Next disconnect the electrical connector from the solenoid. If the engine smooths out, then there might be a shorted wire, or other wiring issue, up to and including with the PCM.


I took a test drive with vac lines disconnected and plugged off. Ran like a new truck. No rough idling at stops and no stumbling.

When I got back, I hooked the vac lines back up and started running rough, and I disconnected the electrical connector and that made no change at all.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 07:42 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Where we are now, with the EGR vacuum lines disconnected the engine smooths out. Does this mean it completely smooths out, or just some? Plug off the vacuum lines and go for a quick drive to see how the idle and acceleration feel.


Another check to do, hook the vacuum lines back up and verify rough running. Next disconnect the electrical connector from the solenoid. If the engine smooths out, then there might be a shorted wire, or other wiring issue, up to and including with the PCM.


I took a test drive with vac lines disconnected and plugged off. Ran like a new truck. No rough idling at stops and no stumbling.

When I got back, I hooked the vac lines back up and started running rough, and I disconnected the electrical connector and that made no change at all.


Did the new EGR valve come with the solenoid, or did you have to swap it over?
January 25, 2020, 07:43 PM
RBeach
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Where we are now, with the EGR vacuum lines disconnected the engine smooths out. Does this mean it completely smooths out, or just some? Plug off the vacuum lines and go for a quick drive to see how the idle and acceleration feel.


Another check to do, hook the vacuum lines back up and verify rough running. Next disconnect the electrical connector from the solenoid. If the engine smooths out, then there might be a shorted wire, or other wiring issue, up to and including with the PCM.


I took a test drive with vac lines disconnected and plugged off. Ran like a new truck. No rough idling at stops and no stumbling.

When I got back, I hooked the vac lines back up and started running rough, and I disconnected the electrical connector and that made no change at all.


Did the new EGR valve come with the solenoid, or did you have to swap it over?


It is part of the EGR valve on top.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 07:47 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Where we are now, with the EGR vacuum lines disconnected the engine smooths out. Does this mean it completely smooths out, or just some? Plug off the vacuum lines and go for a quick drive to see how the idle and acceleration feel.


Another check to do, hook the vacuum lines back up and verify rough running. Next disconnect the electrical connector from the solenoid. If the engine smooths out, then there might be a shorted wire, or other wiring issue, up to and including with the PCM.


I took a test drive with vac lines disconnected and plugged off. Ran like a new truck. No rough idling at stops and no stumbling.

When I got back, I hooked the vac lines back up and started running rough, and I disconnected the electrical connector and that made no change at all.


Did the new EGR valve come with the solenoid, or did you have to swap it over?


It is part of the EGR valve on top.


Looks like you got a bad EGR valve.

Was there only one gasket that came with the new valve?
January 25, 2020, 08:07 PM
RBeach
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Looks like you got a bad EGR valve.

Was there only one gasket that came with the new valve?


Yeah. Just the metal one.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 08:17 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Looks like you got a bad EGR valve.

Was there only one gasket that came with the new valve?


Yeah. Just the metal one.


One last thing to do before taking that EGR valve back and getting a new one, check the vacuum lines from the intake to the EGR valve for any kinks or damage. Might want to disconnect both sides and blow through them to check for any blockages. This could trap vacuum and can cause issues.
January 25, 2020, 08:20 PM
PowerSurge
BWD = Broke When Delivered, as per Eric O. at South Main Auto. Their parts are hit or miss.

https://www.youtube.com/channe...Gzm9e_liY7ko1PBhzTHA


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January 25, 2020, 08:32 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
BWD = Broke When Delivered, as per Eric O. at South Main Auto. Their parts are hit or miss.

https://www.youtube.com/channe...Gzm9e_liY7ko1PBhzTHA



Here again is why I recommend OEM for most if not all emissions parts.
January 25, 2020, 08:36 PM
RBeach
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
One last thing to do before taking that EGR valve back and getting a new one, check the vacuum lines from the intake to the EGR valve for any kinks or damage. Might want to disconnect both sides and blow through them to check for any blockages. This could trap vacuum and can cause issues.


Lines were clear.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 08:37 PM
RBeach
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
BWD = Broke When Delivered, as per Eric O. at South Main Auto. Their parts are hit or miss.

https://www.youtube.com/channe...Gzm9e_liY7ko1PBhzTHA



Here again is why I recommend OEM for most if not all emissions parts.


Taking this one back tomorrow and getting the Motorcraft one.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 08:37 PM
RBeach
Thanks for all of the help.


RBeach
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January 25, 2020, 08:38 PM
Shifferbrains
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Originally posted by RBeach:
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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
BWD = Broke When Delivered, as per Eric O. at South Main Auto. Their parts are hit or miss.

https://www.youtube.com/channe...Gzm9e_liY7ko1PBhzTHA



Here again is why I recommend OEM for most if not all emissions parts.


Taking this one back tomorrow and getting the Motorcraft one.


Great!
January 25, 2020, 08:39 PM
Shifferbrains
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Thanks for all of the help.


My pleasure.
January 25, 2020, 08:50 PM
egregore
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BWD = Broke When Delivered

Big Grin And new = Never, Ever Worked.
January 29, 2020, 08:46 PM
Shifferbrains
RBeach, did the EGR fix the issue?
January 29, 2020, 08:52 PM
PowerSurge
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RBeach, did the EGR fix the issue?


I hope so. Then again, maybe he got fed up and pulled the radiator cap off and drove a Toyota under it. Smile


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