So I am not a fan of the skins. Don't particularly like Gruden. Luke warm of Cousins. Think he is decent, but no where near a really good nfl qb.

I hear many knocking the skins for not signing him. No way I would sign him to a long term high dollar deal. He is not taking this team on him back anywhere, imho. I could have it wrong as many seem to think otherwise. I know there is not much of another option so I understand giving him big money on a year basis.

What do you skins fan's want them to do?

I gave up being a 'Skins fan after Dan Snyder acquired the team. He's turned a once-storied franchise into a dumpster fire.

Thank goodness there _is_ a talented, quality team in the nation's capital: The Washington Nationals.

Cousins (no apostrophe in his name) is probably a high-middle-ranked NFL QB (I've heard him listed at 12th). He's probably hoping to parlay his success into playing for a team not as dysfunctional.

But, be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

Long suffering 'Skins fan here, since 1977.

I got nothin'.

The Redskins are one of a handful of teams that I typically pay attention to through the season, and I think Kirk is a good quarterback so was glad when he joined them, but I will be darned if I have a clue what drives some of the decisions that teams make. So many factors, and of course they have access to things that don't always go public like extended injuries, etc. Being a Lions fan, one of the things I will always have to respect about the Redskins is that they are one of only about 31 teams that make the Lions look bad.

They tried to sign him, he doesn't want to sign. He didn't respond to their offer of $53 million guaranteed, $72 million guaranteed for injury, and average annual value of $24.5 million. Would have made him the second most guaranteed money in NFL history, he turned it down.

He said he'd like to finish his career in Washington and will let God decide where he plays, not really sure what he means there. It is speculated that he wants to test the free agent market and see what other teams will offer and see what happens with all the Redskins currently on one year deals and up for renewal at the end of this year.

Like him or not he will be the highest paid NFL player next year, even if he doesn't warrant it. It's just the market of NFL quarterbacks is crazy. There are only 15 people on the planet that can do it well, and only 5 that are great. He's the top 15 and up for renewal. All the other top 15 ones will exceed his record breaking contract next year when they sign. It is expected he will be the first $30 million per year player.

Redskins screwed up big time. Last year he made them an offer of 3 years, $19.5 mil per year all guaranteed. They really wish they said yes.

Also he may not have signed because our idiot GM can't say his name right, always calls him Kurt. Not sure if it's a power play and he's trying to say he's not worth remembering his name or if Allen is just that much of a buffoon.

The Redskins have mishandled this for over a year.

Every team wants to have their great qb. There are very few qbs that we can say with some certainty are ready to go to the superbowl next year. I don't think Cousins is one of them, but he is one of the much better qbs in the game.

If I had to make a list of who can take their team to the super bowl next year, it starts with:

Brady (GOAT)
Rodgers
Wilson
Big Ben
Eli MIGHT have one more in him.

Other than that, you have the up and comers (Luck who I see as incredibly overrated so far), Derek Carr (who I would take over Luck all day every day) and twice on Sunday)

After that, who is really out there who inspires much confidence? Kirk Cousins is better than many, and that, for an NFL qb is enough to get paid a ton.

You pay him or start over and draft next year...and even then, nothing is guaranteed (RG3...really?), Manziel?

Sorry, some of the draft picks wasted on qbs in the past few years have just blown my mind.

Pay Cousins, what is the alternative?

I call him mediocre. He makes to many dumb plays to be considered a really good qb imho. I think not signing him is a good thing as far as the skins are concerned.

I would continue to add pieces to the rooster. Plug someone in that does not make dumb mistakes doing things his talent does not make possible. You are going to get the same results. This while trying to find a franchise qb in the next 3 or 4 years. That is how I would do it. Let him go the the niners and see how that works out.

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Originally posted by striker1:
Long suffering 'Skins fan here, since 1977.

I got nothin'.

same here
its bad when not in last place means it wasn't that bad a year.

Longtime Skins fan here, since the early 80's when I was a kid.

I am a big fan of Cousins and think he's worth the money. Yes, you'll overpay for his services but that's what the market will bear these days. I like him bc he's from MSU and a 4th round home grown kinda guy. Sure, he made mistakes, but he has flashes of top 5 talent at times. The man threw for more than 9,000 yards and 54 touchdowns with only 23 int's the last 2 years--that's pretty remarkable.

People say he cant put the team on his back and he hasn't won a post season game and I think that's a little unfair. The Redskins have had near-bottom defenses for the last several years. You need a good strong defense to help the offense-they mutually support one another. To ask Cousins to go out and win it all with no D is asking too much. Maybe Payton Manning could do that in his prime.

I am fed up with the Skins since Dan Synder took over...his dysfunctional leadership is abysmal, but then again seems fitting for D.C. these days. The Skins fucked this up last year. Some say the team is so dysfunctional under Snyder and Allen they don't want to admit they made a mistake...remember, they sold the farm to get RGIII and he busted, so now here is a stud QB who happens to be a 4th rounder out of the same draft and they don't want to pay him.

If they let Cousins go next year I'll be really pissed...there is no plan for someone who has his skill set...it will set the team back several years (unless they get someone like Drew Brees, my only concern is his age and its a short term fix).

SB

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Originally posted by kg5388:

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Originally posted by striker1:
Long suffering 'Skins fan here, since 1977.

I got nothin'.

same here
its bad when not in last place means it wasn't that bad a year.

"At least we beat the Cowboys." Or something like that.

Would it be wrong to suggest that Kaepernick is available?

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Would it be wrong to suggest that Kaepernick is available?

Exactly. Kaepernick is terrible, and at some point, he WILL get another shot because the supply is low.

Jimmy Garofolo of my beloved Patriots has a VERY small sample size of NFL experience, and he will make a ton of money a year from now. Of course his sample size shows good performance, and he is coming from the best franchise in the sport but still, somebody will pay him.

Kids coming out of college at the top of the draft get paid before showing that they can do anything at the NFL level (again, RG3, for example). Cousins has performed at the NFL level....so who do you pay?....the person who has proven ability or hang your hopes on "the next big thing" coming out of college.

Oh how I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

Makes me glad (stumbles, injuries, close calls and all) to be a life long Green Bay fan. Born and bred.

The only time I cheers for the Skins is when they are playing the Jerry Jones' Cowgirls.

It's insulting the Great Spirit with the team's name choice.

Maybe they could become the Arlington Redskins or something.

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Originally posted by SSgt USMC/Vet:
Oh how I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

My thought as well. I grew up a Redskins fan back in the Sonny Jurgensen, Billy Kilmer days. It was good times during the first Joe Gibbs era, But Dan Snyder has killed any interest I had in the team.

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Originally posted by SSgt USMC/Vet:
Oh how I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

I think all Skins fans do.

I was listening to Joe Theismann talk today on the radio. He was telling his story about his last contract negotiations with Mr. Cook. Wasn't really a negotiation, Mr. Cook handed him a contract and suggested he sign it. It made him the fourth highest paid NFL player at the time (1984).

The interesting part of the story was that he also handed him a card for his agent at Lloyds of London and suggested he insure the contract for 1/2 of 1 percent of the contract value. He initially said no but Mr. Cook insisted.

One year later:



If not for that advice he would have had a completely different life.

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Not just Snyder. The players take a lot of the joy out of it these days. I'd just rather watch college.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by SSgt USMC/Vet:
Oh how I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

I think all Skins fans do.

I was listening to Joe Theismann talk today on the radio. He was telling his story about his last contract negotiations with Mr. Cook. Wasn't really a negotiation, Mr. Cook handed him a contract and suggested he sign it. It made him the fourth highest paid NFL player at the time (1984).

The interesting part of the story was that he also handed him a card for his agent at Lloyds of London and suggested he insure the contract for 1/2 of 1 percent of the contract value. He initially said no but Mr. Cook insisted.

One year later:



If not for that advice he would have had a completely different life.

A LT/Harry Carson Sandwich...Theisman hailed from S River NJ Was an unbelievable HS Q-Back.

Redskins have no one to blame but themselves. They are the architects of their own ruin.

Publishing that memo was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Trying to score some sympathy points while publicly admitting that you don't intend to give him more guaranteed money than he will already earn in the next two years barring catastrophic injury. Why they would think their super lame offer warrants a response is hilarious.

I'd feel sorry for the fans but as a Giants fan, all I can do is point and laugh...