You don’t hear about it in recent days, but remember they were talking about ‘oil storage’ a week or so ago? An issue was you can’t just stop pumping, the well could get contaminated? Iran out of storage room?

I don’t doubt that the Iranians wouldn’t just dump the pumped oil on the ground, say it’s the only alternative. Kinda like Saddam did, blowing up the wells as he left.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
I don’t doubt that the Iranians wouldn’t just dump the pumped oil on the ground, say it’s the only alternative. Kinda like Saddam did, blowing up the wells as he left.

I've been in US facilities that have been oil & gas facilities since the 1890s to 1920s as well as seen quite a bit of aerial footage from the 1930s. Near as my coworkers and I can tell, there were crude oil ponds and canals. I could see Iran tasking some large strip mining equipment to make crude oil ponds and connect them with crude oil canals. It would take decades to clean up but the IRGC and Iranian leadership isn't likely to be thinking that long-term.

I'm wondering if there's anything, short of boots on the ground in Iran, that we could do to facilitate an uprising of Iranians against the IRGC and Iranian leadership?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/art...&bt_ts=1777915082204

UAE says Iran has resumed attacks as the US moves to reopen the Strait of Hormuz

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The U.S. military said Monday it battled Iranian forces and sank six small boats as it moved to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. The United Arab Emirates, a key American ally, said it had come under attack from Iran for the first time since a fragile ceasefire took hold in early April.

The attacks appeared to be in response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s latest efforts to reopen the strait, a critical waterway for global energy. They came after the U.S. military said two American-flagged merchant ships had successfully transited the strait on Monday.

The UAE Defense Ministry said Iran had launched four cruise missiles, with three shot down and one falling into the sea. Authorities in the eastern emirate of Fujairah said an Iranian drone sparked a fire at a key oil facility, wounding three Indian nationals. The British military reported two cargo vessels ablaze off the UAE.

Breaking Iran’s chokehold on the strait would ease global economic concerns and deny Tehran a major source of leverage. But such efforts also risk reigniting the full-scale fighting that erupted when the U.S. and Israel first attacked Iran on Feb. 28, prompting it to close the strait.

Iran's effective closure of the strait, which runs between Iran and Oman, has caused a spike in worldwide fuel prices and rattled the global economy. The U.S.-led Joint Maritime Information Center had advised ships Monday to cross the strait in Oman’s waters, saying it had set up an “enhanced security area.”

Reports of new attacks raised doubts as to whether shipping companies, and their insurers, would take such a risk given that Iran has fired on ships in the waterway and vowed to keep doing so. Iran has said the new U.S. effort is a violation of the fragile ceasefire that has held for more than three weeks.

US says it has reopened a lane through the strait

Adm. Brad Cooper, commander of U.S. Central Command, told reporters that American forces have successfully opened a passage through the strait that is free of Iranian mines. He said Iran launched multiple cruise missiles, drones and small boats at civilian ships under the U.S. military’s protection.

U.S. military helicopters sank six of the small boats, Cooper said, adding that “each and every” threat had been defeated.

“The U.S. commanders who are on the scene have all the authority necessary to defend their unit and to defend commercial shipping -- as we saw and demonstrated earlier today,” Cooper said.

Trump had warned Sunday that Iranian efforts to halt passage through the strait “will, unfortunately, have to be dealt with forcefully.”

He described “Project Freedom” in humanitarian terms, designed to aid stranded seafarers on hundreds of ships that have been stuck in the Persian Gulf since the war began. Crews have described to The Associated Press seeing drones and missiles explode over the waters earlier in the war as their vessels run low on drinking water, food and other supplies.

Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency called the effort part of Trump's “delirium.”

Iran stands firm on its grip of the strait

Iran’s military command on Monday said ships passing through the strait must coordinate with them.

“We warn that any foreign military force — especially the aggressive U.S. military — that intends to approach or enter the Strait of Hormuz will be targeted,” Maj. Gen. Ali Abdollahi told state broadcaster IRIB.

The extent of the attack on Fujairah was unclear, but it is the terminus of a pipeline the UAE has used to avoid shipping some of its oil through the strait. The emirate on the Gulf of Oman is home to extensive oil storage facilities and is the UAE’s main sea access outside the strait.

The South Korean government said an explosion and fire had broken out aboard a South Korean-operated ship anchored in the strait off the UAE. No injuries were reported. It was not immediately known if the vessel was one of the burning ships reported by the British military’s United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations center.

The UAE accused Iran of targeting a tanker linked to its main oil company with two drones as it navigated the strait. It did not say when the attack occurred. No injuries were reported.

The disruption of the waterway has squeezed countries in Europe and Asia that depend on Persian Gulf oil and gas, raising prices far beyond the region.

The U.S. has warned shipping companies they could face sanctions for paying Iran for transit of the strait.

The U.S. has meanwhile enforced a naval blockade on Iranian ports since April 13, telling at least 49 commercial ships to turn back, according to Central Command.

The blockade has deprived Tehran of oil revenue it needs to shore up its ailing economy. U.S. officials have expressed hope that the blockade forces Iran to make concessions in talks on its disputed nuclear program and other longstanding issues.

Little progress seen in negotiations

Iran’s latest proposal for ending the war calls for the U.S. lifting sanctions, ending the blockade, withdrawing forces from the region and ceasing all hostilities, including Israel’s operations in Lebanon, according to the semiofficial Nour News and Tasnim agencies, which have close ties to Iran’s security apparatus.

Iranian officials said they were reviewing the U.S. response, though Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei told reporters Monday that changing demands made diplomacy difficult. He did not give details.

Iran has claimed its proposal does not include issues related to its nuclear program and enriched uranium — long a driving force in tensions with the U.S. and Israel.

Iran wants other issues resolved within 30 days and aims to end the war rather than extend the ceasefire. Trump expressed doubt over the weekend that the proposal would lead to a deal.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm wondering if there's anything, short of boots on the ground in Iran, that we could do to facilitate an uprising of Iranians against the IRGC and Iranian leadership?

I'm sure it's already being done however, I don't think anybody can deny that had strikes happened back in Jan instead of Feb, conditions on the ground would be a lot different. Now with 30-40-50k dead, safe to say that any uprising will need to be reformed and remotivated as many of the former leaders are dead.

I'm not sure of their internet access or broadcast capabilities, how about this old school info dissemination -- leaflets. You can put a lot of info on a leaflet. Or would Radio Free Iran be an option?

Where's "Gun Running"Ollie North when we need him?

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I'm not sure of their internet access or broadcast capabilities, how about this old school info dissemination -- leaflets. You can put a lot of info on a leaflet. Or would Radio Free Iran be an option?

I like that idea.
They can limit internet or broadcast access, but leaflets are small enough that they could easily be dropped in. We already control the skies. If we could coordinate with people on the ground for distribution, that could be a great idea.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm wondering if there's anything, short of boots on the ground in Iran, that we could do to facilitate an uprising of Iranians against the IRGC and Iranian leadership?

I'm sure that Israel is doing all they can in this regard. I would be shocked if they have not had significant intelligence assets inside Iran for decades. Supporting Israel is, IMO, our most potentially fruitful strategy in this regard.

It is hard to understand the arrogance of Iran's leadership in floating their latest "peace proposal!" With their history of lies after lies after lies, how could they possibly believe that anybody with half a brain would believe they'd comply with their stated terms even if the proposed terms were acceptable (which they are not).

How many spankings will it take to get them to take things seriously? Like a stubborn child defying his parents, they must think that the US loves our reputation for civilized behavior so much that we will back down before we really hurt them. I suspect they are about to find out differently.

Behave like savages, live like savages.

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Originally posted by architect:

It is hard to understand the arrogance of Iran's leadership in floating their latest "peace proposal!" With their history of lies after lies after lies, how could they possibly believe that anybody with half a brain would believe they'd comply with their stated terms even if the proposed terms were acceptable (which they are not).

How many spankings will it take to get them to take things seriously?

It's simple: they do not expect anyone to take them seriously. They do not care. They are simply buying time to re-organize, re-supply, etc. so that they can resume fighting. Their only plan is to outlast Trump and Netanyahu. They are banking on the soft wusses in the West to put pressure on their leadership. See Mertz, for example. Their only hope is to win the political battle getting the American people to quit. Hamas, as an IRGC proxy, gives us a clear indication of what it will take to get them to quit - hunt down and kill each and every one of them. The IRGC does not care how much the civilian population suffers, and all resources, e.g., food, water, etc., will be siphoned off to the IRGC. Thus, threats of destroying their infrastructure doesn't matter to them. They are betting that Trump will not put boots on the ground in the number and intensity the IDF did in Gaza to eliminate Hamas. I believe they are correct in this regard. The IRGC believes all they have to do is survive through the mid-term elections, and they will likely hang on to power.

The 'Mini War'

It's looking like the White House does not wish to given up just yet on the ceasefire, given this afternoon President Trump referenced the conflict as a "mini-war" - as opposed to a full blown war - in what seemed like an effort to downplay today's dramatic events. Not only did missiles rain down on the UAE, sparking a fire at a key oil facility, but the US Navy said it destroyed seven Iranian military boats. Here's what Trump said.

“They did a poll on the war with Iran, and they said only 32% of the people like it,” Trump said, without specifying who conducted the poll. “Well, I don’t like it, I don’t like war at all.”

“We’re in, I call it a mini-war,” Trump added a few moments later.

Trump has previously said he’s been advised to not call it a war. House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said last week that the U.S. is currently “not at war.”

Meanwhile, more details via CENTCOM on the earlier flare-up, which separately saw the UAE engage 12 ballistic missiles, 3 cruise missiles, and 4 drones on Monday:

US Central Command (Centcom) says it has used helicopters to destroy Iranian small boats.

It follows US President Donald Trump's suggestion that the US has struck seven Iranian small boats as it works to open the Strait of Hormuz. "Earlier today, Sea Hawk and U.S. Army AH-64 Apache helicopters were used to eliminate Iranian small boats threatening commercial shipping", Centcom writes in a social media update.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...american-warship-hit

We need to smoke one of their ports.

We need to remember why we got involved in the first place, not nation building, we already know that that has never worked, anywhere we have tried it.

Help secure peace for Israel
Make sure Iran NEVER gets a nuke
Destroy Iran's military
Destroy there entire industrial complex including any ability to sell oil

Anytime it looks like they are climbing out of there hole, bomb the fuck out of them.

Who cares about there popular uprising. We should concentrate on the job at hand and get out.
They and the Arab community are not worth one penny of our national treasure or one scrape on an American servicemens body.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The 'Mini War'

It's looking like the White House does not wish to given up just yet on the ceasefire, given this afternoon President Trump referenced the conflict as a "mini-war"

Also, President Trump doesn’t want to restart the count down on the 60-day war power limit, which is currently paused.

^^ I believe President Trump's is counting on a reset/brand new 60-day War Powers Act clock if when hostilities resume.

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^^ I believe President Trump's is counting on a reset/brand new 60-day War Powers Act clock if when hostilities resume.

You’re overlooking the fact that he may not have the required congressional support to continue the war beyond the 60-day time constraint.

^^ I ain't overlooking anything...New Clock! The US Navy is currently providing escort/safe passage for civilian cargo ships. If/when Iran commences firing on US Warships, are you seriously thinking that congressional support for our Navy to take defensive action(s) will be withheld...AND our Navy will be forced to turn tail/run?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ I ain't overlooking anything...New Clock! The US Navy is currently providing escort/safe passage for civilian cargo ships. If/when Iran commences firing on US Warships, are you seriously thinking that congressional support for our Navy to take defensive action(s) will be withheld...AND our Navy will be forced to turn tail/run?

Yes I believe they would. That's their plan to take over after the midterms, and they will follow through by ANY means necessary, up to and including ending it, including withdrawing any and all support of the US Navy. Absolutely they would. They're not really Americans.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to how long Obama was engaging in War hostilities in/against Libya?

7 months(2015–2019)* and Obama's position was:


"...the United States’ “constrained and limited operations” in Libya “do not amount to hostilities” because the United States doesn’t have or intend to place soldiers on the ground and has not sustained the casualties typical of such hostilities. ..."

So, Pres. DJT could state the same thing up to this point.

"We ain't doin' no hostilities. ask Obama..."


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(and nearly 4 years with the intervention in Libya's civil war)