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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm wondering if there's anything, short of boots on the ground in Iran, that we could do to facilitate an uprising of Iranians against the IRGC and Iranian leadership?

I'm sure it's already being done however, I don't think anybody can deny that had strikes happened back in Jan instead of Feb, conditions on the ground would be a lot different. Now with 30-40-50k dead, safe to say that any uprising will need to be reformed and remotivated as many of the former leaders are dead.

I'm not sure of their internet access or broadcast capabilities, how about this old school info dissemination -- leaflets. You can put a lot of info on a leaflet. Or would Radio Free Iran be an option?

Where's "Gun Running"Ollie North when we need him?

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Originally posted by Ripley:
I'm not sure of their internet access or broadcast capabilities, how about this old school info dissemination -- leaflets. You can put a lot of info on a leaflet. Or would Radio Free Iran be an option?

I like that idea.
They can limit internet or broadcast access, but leaflets are small enough that they could easily be dropped in. We already control the skies. If we could coordinate with people on the ground for distribution, that could be a great idea.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm wondering if there's anything, short of boots on the ground in Iran, that we could do to facilitate an uprising of Iranians against the IRGC and Iranian leadership?

I'm sure that Israel is doing all they can in this regard. I would be shocked if they have not had significant intelligence assets inside Iran for decades. Supporting Israel is, IMO, our most potentially fruitful strategy in this regard.

It is hard to understand the arrogance of Iran's leadership in floating their latest "peace proposal!" With their history of lies after lies after lies, how could they possibly believe that anybody with half a brain would believe they'd comply with their stated terms even if the proposed terms were acceptable (which they are not).

How many spankings will it take to get them to take things seriously? Like a stubborn child defying his parents, they must think that the US loves our reputation for civilized behavior so much that we will back down before we really hurt them. I suspect they are about to find out differently.

Behave like savages, live like savages.

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Originally posted by architect:

It is hard to understand the arrogance of Iran's leadership in floating their latest "peace proposal!" With their history of lies after lies after lies, how could they possibly believe that anybody with half a brain would believe they'd comply with their stated terms even if the proposed terms were acceptable (which they are not).

How many spankings will it take to get them to take things seriously?

It's simple: they do not expect anyone to take them seriously. They do not care. They are simply buying time to re-organize, re-supply, etc. so that they can resume fighting. Their only plan is to outlast Trump and Netanyahu. They are banking on the soft wusses in the West to put pressure on their leadership. See Mertz, for example. Their only hope is to win the political battle getting the American people to quit. Hamas, as an IRGC proxy, gives us a clear indication of what it will take to get them to quit - hunt down and kill each and every one of them. The IRGC does not care how much the civilian population suffers, and all resources, e.g., food, water, etc., will be siphoned off to the IRGC. Thus, threats of destroying their infrastructure doesn't matter to them. They are betting that Trump will not put boots on the ground in the number and intensity the IDF did in Gaza to eliminate Hamas. I believe they are correct in this regard. The IRGC believes all they have to do is survive through the mid-term elections, and they will likely hang on to power.

The 'Mini War'

It's looking like the White House does not wish to given up just yet on the ceasefire, given this afternoon President Trump referenced the conflict as a "mini-war" - as opposed to a full blown war - in what seemed like an effort to downplay today's dramatic events. Not only did missiles rain down on the UAE, sparking a fire at a key oil facility, but the US Navy said it destroyed seven Iranian military boats. Here's what Trump said.

“They did a poll on the war with Iran, and they said only 32% of the people like it,” Trump said, without specifying who conducted the poll. “Well, I don’t like it, I don’t like war at all.”

“We’re in, I call it a mini-war,” Trump added a few moments later.

Trump has previously said he’s been advised to not call it a war. House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said last week that the U.S. is currently “not at war.”

Meanwhile, more details via CENTCOM on the earlier flare-up, which separately saw the UAE engage 12 ballistic missiles, 3 cruise missiles, and 4 drones on Monday:

US Central Command (Centcom) says it has used helicopters to destroy Iranian small boats.

It follows US President Donald Trump's suggestion that the US has struck seven Iranian small boats as it works to open the Strait of Hormuz. "Earlier today, Sea Hawk and U.S. Army AH-64 Apache helicopters were used to eliminate Iranian small boats threatening commercial shipping", Centcom writes in a social media update.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...american-warship-hit

We need to smoke one of their ports.

We need to remember why we got involved in the first place, not nation building, we already know that that has never worked, anywhere we have tried it.

Help secure peace for Israel
Make sure Iran NEVER gets a nuke
Destroy Iran's military
Destroy there entire industrial complex including any ability to sell oil

Anytime it looks like they are climbing out of there hole, bomb the fuck out of them.

Who cares about there popular uprising. We should concentrate on the job at hand and get out.
They and the Arab community are not worth one penny of our national treasure or one scrape on an American servicemens body.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The 'Mini War'

It's looking like the White House does not wish to given up just yet on the ceasefire, given this afternoon President Trump referenced the conflict as a "mini-war"

Also, President Trump doesn’t want to restart the count down on the 60-day war power limit, which is currently paused.

^^ I believe President Trump's is counting on a reset/brand new 60-day War Powers Act clock if when hostilities resume.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ I believe President Trump's is counting on a reset/brand new 60-day War Powers Act clock if when hostilities resume.

You’re overlooking the fact that he may not have the required congressional support to continue the war beyond the 60-day time constraint.

^^ I ain't overlooking anything...New Clock! The US Navy is currently providing escort/safe passage for civilian cargo ships. If/when Iran commences firing on US Warships, are you seriously thinking that congressional support for our Navy to take defensive action(s) will be withheld...AND our Navy will be forced to turn tail/run?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ I ain't overlooking anything...New Clock! The US Navy is currently providing escort/safe passage for civilian cargo ships. If/when Iran commences firing on US Warships, are you seriously thinking that congressional support for our Navy to take defensive action(s) will be withheld...AND our Navy will be forced to turn tail/run?

Yes I believe they would. That's their plan to take over after the midterms, and they will follow through by ANY means necessary, up to and including ending it, including withdrawing any and all support of the US Navy. Absolutely they would. They're not really Americans.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to how long Obama was engaging in War hostilities in/against Libya?

7 months(2015–2019)* and Obama's position was:


"...the United States’ “constrained and limited operations” in Libya “do not amount to hostilities” because the United States doesn’t have or intend to place soldiers on the ground and has not sustained the casualties typical of such hostilities. ..."

So, Pres. DJT could state the same thing up to this point.

"We ain't doin' no hostilities. ask Obama..."


*
(and nearly 4 years with the intervention in Libya's civil war)

Nighty-night

https://x.com/Mrgunsngear/status/2051668836085080505

Is Ceasefire Over? Pentagon Answers Definitively

In the Tuesday morning Pentagon presser led by War Secretary Pete Hegseth, Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Dan Caine stated very clearly that the US views Monday's escalation (the attack on UAE and some vessels in the Strait of Hormuz) as actions which are "all below the threshold of restarting major combat operations at this point."

The Trump administration has argued that it doesn't have to seek congressional approval to continue military operations beyond a 60-day limit because there is a ceasefire in effect. But the question raised Monday is: does the fresh Iranian cross-Gulf mark the end of ceasefire? Clearly the Pentagon and Trump administration are saying no. "No adversary should mistake our current restraint for a lack of resolve," Caine then emphasized.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...eportedly-clash-over

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Nighty-night

https://x.com/Mrgunsngear/status/2051668836085080505

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No amount of "gearing up to go down" woulda helped those guys.

Lebanese Hezbollah is using fiber optic drones now.
Same ones from China Russia is using.
China is playing a dangerous game.