The Iran War

March 22, 2026, 07:07 AM

92fstech

I came across this article this morning. I knew this stuff was happening, but the details are sickening. I'm not going to post all the text here...follow the link and read it if you want, but be warned that it's going to turn your stomach. I still have my misgivings about getting involved in another conflict in the middle east, but I am definitely convinced that every time we kill one of these disgusting IRGC pieces of shit we make the world a better place. And I definitely don't want them getting nukes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...nurse-gang-rape.html

March 22, 2026, 08:52 AM

jsbcody

quote:
Originally posted by 92fstech:
I came across this article this morning. I knew this stuff was happening, but the details are sickening. I'm not going to post all the text here...follow the link and read it if you want, but be warned that it's going to turn your stomach. I still have my misgivings about getting involved in another conflict in the middle east, but I am definitely convinced that every time we kill one of these disgusting IRGC pieces of shit we make the world a better place. And I definitely don't want them getting nukes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...nurse-gang-rape.html

Wasn't it last week that Joyless "The Red" Reid was comparing the US to IRGC Iran and saying it was probably better to live in Iran?

This is a Shadow War that has been running for almost 50 years. Every year we lost people and troops to them, just in small enough batches that while "horrible and tragic" it wasn't enough to "justify" full war. It was death by a thousand booms with a small bomb while they were/are trying to forge a true weapon that would be used against us and Israel.

Finish it now or in a decade or so they will finish it.

March 22, 2026, 09:27 AM

Fly-Sig

quote:
Originally posted by jsbcody:

Wasn't it last week that Joyless "The Red" Reid was comparing the US to IRGC Iran and saying it was probably better to live in Iran?

This is a Shadow War that has been running for almost 50 years. Every year we lost people and troops to them, just in small enough batches that while "horrible and tragic" it wasn't enough to "justify" full war. It was death by a thousand booms with a small bomb while they were/are trying to forge a true weapon that would be used against us and Israel.

Finish it now or in a decade or so they will finish it.

The denial on the left is stunning. They actually believe the nonsense coming from Joy Reid et al. They are unable to think. They start with the conclusion of either Orange Man Bad or conservatives are mean evil people. Then they create whatever fantasy is required to support the opposite position.

They can never allow themselves to admit that Trump or conservatives are ever even partially right about anything.

It really is some kind of mental illness.

March 22, 2026, 10:19 AM

sigfreund

If groupthink were a mental illness most human beings would be mentally ill, and therefore it would be excusable just as we all get hungry and require sleep. True mental illness, like most illnesses, is not something we have control over.

There have been literally countless examples throughout history of groups of people being convinced to believe certain things, no matter how irrational, and in most cases to be willing to act on them. Bucking the crowd is not something that people are well equipped to do; there are immensely strong evolutionary drives to cooperate with others for our own and the species’ survival and prosperity. If there weren’t, human beings would not be the dominant large animal on the planet, and it doesn’t do any of us any good to not recognize the fact.

The way to counter groupthink and mob action is to teach people, or to learn on one’s own, the ability to think rationally as an individual. Unfortunately that has always been somewhat rare, and although my basis of current knowledge is limited, it seems to be rarer still today when teaching the skills of critical thinking and knowledge of history seems to be less common than in the past. Plus, a major factor in supporting groupthink is the ready availability of immediate and constant support for whatever someone wants to believe and to remain an accepted member of a group.

At the same time, because of the nature of that intragroup support, i.e., online discussion, it also limits, somewhat paradoxically, the ability of individuals to express questions or doubt. If the group consists of physical people who meet and see each other in person, there will be more incentive to listen to and consider a broader scope of ideas and wants. “Maybe we should listen to Bob, because he’s a dues-paying member who always helps with the clubhouse maintenance.”

When something considered to be the least bit questioning or doubtful about groupthink is expressed online, though, immediate and constant suppression of such heresies is also possible, and there will be no disadvantage to the group to do so. If it has thousands of like-minded members, disagreements can easily be suppressed by expelling or at least silencing heretics at no disadvantage to the others.

No, thinking and accepting irrational thoughts is not mental illness. It is a characteristic of being human.

March 22, 2026, 10:31 AM

old rugged cross

Sure thing Sigf. Keep telling yourself that in the bubble you reside in

March 22, 2026, 10:41 AM

sigfreund

Thanks for the immediate confirmation, ORC.
Could not have asked for a better demonstration of my point.

March 22, 2026, 11:08 AM

Carpentermaass84

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
If groupthink were a mental illness most human beings would be mentally ill, and therefore it would be excusable just as we all get hungry and require sleep. True mental illness, like most illnesses, is not something we have control over.

There have been literally countless examples throughout history of groups of people being convinced to believe certain things, no matter how irrational, and in most cases to be willing to act on them. Bucking the crowd is not something that people are well equipped to do; there are immensely strong evolutionary drives to cooperate with others for our own and the species’ survival and prosperity. If there weren’t, human beings would not be the dominant large animal on the planet, and it doesn’t do any of us any good to not recognize the fact.

The way to counter groupthink and mob action is to teach people, or to learn on one’s own, the ability to think rationally as an individual. Unfortunately that has always been somewhat rare, and although my basis of current knowledge is limited, it seems to be rarer still today when teaching the skills of critical thinking and knowledge of history seems to be less common than in the past. Plus, a major factor in supporting groupthink is the ready availability of immediate and constant support for whatever someone wants to believe and to remain an accepted member of a group.

At the same time, because of the nature of that intragroup support, i.e., online discussion, it also limits, somewhat paradoxically, the ability of individuals to express questions or doubt. If the group consists of physical people who meet and see each other in person, there will be more incentive to listen to and consider a broader scope of ideas and wants. “Maybe we should listen to Bob, because he’s a dues-paying member who always helps with the clubhouse maintenance.”

When something considered to be the least bit questioning or doubtful about groupthink is expressed online, though, immediate and constant suppression of such heresies is also possible, and there will be no disadvantage to the group to do so. If it has thousands of like-minded members, disagreements can easily be suppressed by expelling or at least silencing heretics at no disadvantage to the others.

No, thinking and accepting irrational thoughts is not mental illness. It is a characteristic of being human.

I don't have the time to read all of that big word shit. Are you with Trump or not?

March 22, 2026, 11:17 AM

nhracecraft

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Sure thing Sigf. Keep telling yourself that in the bubble you reside in

Surely you remember the Russia Collusion hoax, COVID, J6...

March 22, 2026, 11:19 AM

flesheatingvirus

quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:

I don't have the time to read all of that big word shit. Are you with Trump or not?

Christ.

And people like you get to vote for both sides.

March 22, 2026, 11:21 AM

sigfreund

My post wasn’t about Trump but why large groups of people believe irrational things, and why it is not a mental illness, but simply a characteristic of being human.

If I knew someone who believed that his life was being controlled by an invisible rabbit, not being a psychiatrist or other mental health professional I would probably not attempt to change his mind. If, however, someone believed something that was irrational merely because a group of like-minded friends believed it, I might try to change his mind if I thought it might be worth the effort.

But to answer that question, I am with Trump, but I am not subject to the Trump Deification* Syndrome.

* You can look that term up on the net; it’s a quick and easy way to learn the definition of big words.

March 22, 2026, 11:25 AM

old rugged cross

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
Thanks for the immediate confirmation, ORC.
Could not have asked for a better demonstration of my point.

Having others think for you and not being able or willing to think for yourself. Is rational thought or the lack there of a form of mental illness? It is a form in my book.

I get how some can hate another. But if hating them is a core value of who you are as a human being than you have an illness between the ears.

March 22, 2026, 11:31 AM

darthfuster

quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
If groupthink were a mental illness most human beings would be mentally ill, and therefore it would be excusable just as we all get hungry and require sleep. True mental illness, like most illnesses, is not something we have control over.

There have been literally countless examples throughout history of groups of people being convinced to believe certain things, no matter how irrational, and in most cases to be willing to act on them. Bucking the crowd is not something that people are well equipped to do; there are immensely strong evolutionary drives to cooperate with others for our own and the species’ survival and prosperity. If there weren’t, human beings would not be the dominant large animal on the planet, and it doesn’t do any of us any good to not recognize the fact.

[snip]

No, thinking and accepting irrational thoughts is not mental illness. It is a characteristic of being human.

I don't have the time to read all of that big word shit. Are you with Trump or not?

He’s saying that the Left is not mentally ill in the clinical sense, though it appears that way given what they believe and how they behave. If a group thinker knows the truth but prefers the lie long enough not to be able to distinguish between the two, I’d say that becomes mental illness. This is just my opinion.

It is worth the time to read and assimilate the information in his post though.

March 22, 2026, 11:43 AM

Carpentermaass84

quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
If groupthink were a mental illness most human beings would be mentally ill, and therefore it would be excusable just as we all get hungry and require sleep. True mental illness, like most illnesses, is not something we have control over.

There have been literally countless examples throughout history of groups of people being convinced to believe certain things, no matter how irrational, and in most cases to be willing to act on them. Bucking the crowd is not something that people are well equipped to do; there are immensely strong evolutionary drives to cooperate with others for our own and the species’ survival and prosperity. If there weren’t, human beings would not be the dominant large animal on the planet, and it doesn’t do any of us any good to not recognize the fact.

[snip]

No, thinking and accepting irrational thoughts is not mental illness. It is a characteristic of being human.

I don't have the time to read all of that big word shit. Are you with Trump or not?

He’s saying that the Left is not mentally ill in the clinical sense, though it appears that way given what they believe and how they behave. If a group thinker knows the truth but prefers the lie long enough not to be able to distinguish between the two, I’d say that becomes mental illness. This is just my opinion.

It is worth the time to read and assimilate the information in his post though.

Ok, that makes more sense. Thank you.

March 22, 2026, 12:02 PM

parabellum

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
I don't have the time to read all of that big word shit.

Don't do that. Do not ever do that in this forum.

March 22, 2026, 12:14 PM

chellim1

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
My post wasn’t about Trump but why large groups of people believe irrational things, and why it is not a mental illness, but simply a characteristic of being human.

You are right. Groupthink is a big problem.... but not a true mental illness, at least not in the clinical sense.

Independent thinkers aren't rare, but may be in the minority. It takes a lot more effort to think for yourself.

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor

March 22, 2026, 12:17 PM

Fly-Sig

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
My post wasn’t about Trump but why large groups of people believe irrational things, and why it is not a mental illness, but simply a characteristic of being human.)

I would call it at least a form of serious mental defect.

Over the decades I've been exposed to a lot of different opinions and have tried to educate myself on history, science, politics, etc. Which has certainly strengthened my belief in traditional or conservative values, and thus I support Trump's agenda. You'd be hard pressed to say I'm not your typical MAGA, and thus part of the group-think. But that doesn't make me immune to criticizing Trump or his policies sometimes. And, in reverse, if someone on the left says or does something I agree with, I can compliment it. Sometimes a Dem or a liberal position can be, imho, right.

What I see from so many on the left is the utter inability to process facts. They will argue it just isn't true even though the facts are overwhelming and verified. When confronted with actual facts and the proof, they pivot to something else.

It may not be schizophrenia, but they are living in an alternate reality they have created in their own mind.

March 22, 2026, 12:26 PM

6guns

To add my two cents...and this goes to the a part of the earlier discussion; our "mostly" liberal anti-Trump media, does NOT help in this group think problem. They help the group think members believe what they do.

March 22, 2026, 12:28 PM

chellim1

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What I see from so many on the left is the utter inability to process facts. They will argue it just isn't true even though the facts are overwhelming and verified. When confronted with actual facts and the proof, they pivot to something else.

I see the same thing. It's impossible to argue with them.