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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Dresden:
This is about as far as I would go in criticizing him. For all in this thread that are telling him to FOAD and calling him filthy names, he's not...He simply holds an opinion that differs from ours. Stop it.

Sorry, I have to disagree with the opinion that the pope is just a person who holds different opinions.

People in positions of worldwide influence wield incredible power and their opinions matter way more than the average Joe's. This is not opinion, it's fact. His opinions, statements and actions can affect the entire planet.

Espousing communist ideals and giving comfort to egregious leaders who have or would enslave millions is more than just a simple difference of opinion. He has criticized western civilization and the United States, which has freed more people from the yoke of oppression, allowing them to worship as they see fit, than any other movement in the history of the world.

He is a cancer and the sooner he is removed from power, the better it will be for mankind.

Yup, a commie is a commie. You can't hide your true nature by hiding behind the robe and the fancy hat. In your position, you're influencing millions and millions. Yeah, you can FOAD for all I care.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Yup, a commie is a commie. You can't hide your true nature by hiding behind the robe and the fancy hat. In your position, you're influencing millions and millions. Yeah, you can FOAD for all I care.

Like a Hostess Zinger. It would take more than a little white to cover all that red.

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Originally posted by Dresden:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Sorry. Pope is a knucklehead.

This is about as far as I would go in criticizing him. For all in this thread that are telling him to FOAD and calling him filthy names, he's not...He simply holds an opinion that differs from ours. Stop it.

Why, he is a man not a deity? And even if he was...why

While it may offend you we are free (Para permitting, it's his house) to speak our minds.

We say the same things about politicians on this forum...he is a politician...with a cool hat

Until they open Vatican City to the unwashed hordes he is just another Soros kiss ass.

Some years ago a high ranking member of the Catholic church was interviewed on TV, where he categorically stated that the "church" had never changed.

Excerpted for the book "Revelation Unveiled" here is a list of the changes made within the church since AD 300.

AD 300 Prayers for the dead
AD 300 Making the sign of the cross
AD 375 Worship of saints and angels
AD 394 Mass first instituted
AD 431 Worship of Mary began
AD 500 Priests began dressing differently than lay people
AD 526 Extreme unction
AD 593 Doctrine of purgatory introduced
AD 600 Worship services conducted in Latin
AD 600 Prayers directed to Mary
AD 607 Boniface III made first pope
AD 709 Kissing the pope’s foot
AD 786 Worship of images and relics
AD 850 Use of “holy water” began
AD 995 Canonization of dead saints
AD 998 Fasting on Fridays and during lent
AD 1079 Celibacy of the priesthood
AD 1090 Prayer beads
AD 1184 The Inquisition
AD 1190 The sale of indulgences
AD 1215 Transubstantiation
AD 1220 Adoration of the wafer (Host)
AD 1229 Bible forbidden to lay people
AD 1414 Cup forbidden to people at communion
AD 1439 Doctrine of purgatory decreed
AD 1439 Doctrine of seven sacraments affirmed
AD 1508 The Ave Maria approved
AD 1534 The Jesuit order founded
AD 1545 Tradition granted equal authority with the Bible
AD 1546 Apocryphal books put into the Bible
AD 1854 Immaculate conception of Mary
AD 1864 Syllabus of errors proclaimed
AD 1870 Infallibility of pope declared
AD 1930 Public schools condemned
AD 1950 Assumption of virgin Mary
AD 1965 Mary proclaimed mother of the church

If one is interested in the "End Times", may I suggest the book entitled "Revelation Unveiled", by Tim Lahaye.

If the above "events" were taken from his book, Tim Lahaye is perhaps as ignorant of the Catholic faith as many of the folks posting in this thread. As such, I have no interest whatsoever in reading his work as it is clear that it is a hit peace on Catholicism.

And, as has been stated, the Pope is not infallible...the Church is.

An excellent video that I stumbled across...


https://youtu.be/tcge7eppKo4

So I can now migrate into the Vatican, drink the wine, raid the refrigerator, pick a room, party all night etc. and MY RIGHTS trump any security concern and they must support and tolerate me.

Great, I just may become Catholic.

Islamic State group militants in the Philippines have released a propaganda video desecrating Christian statues and threatening Pope Francis that they'll come to Rome, as they tear in half photos of him and his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI.

“Remember this, you kuffar, we will be in Rome, we will be in Rome, inshallah,” a supposed terrorist named “Abu Jindal” says to the camera.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...ropaganda-video.html

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They all wear white robes too. But that doesn't mean there aren't differences.

I think you mean JP2. JP1 was only pope for 33 days.

Peter was a rocker.

First and foremost. Peter will keep hearing about the "denying" thing until he loses the keys to the Golden Gate due to old age. Basically never. Best thing about him is that the position of "Rock" never truly went to his head. Though his wife, Perpetua, nagged him until he died.

Further, I did mean JPI. He seemed to have died from an accidental heart attack after trying to correct things in the Vatican.

A thing about Popes. None (except perhaps in olden times) rose to the position straight from priesthood. Just as CEOs don't rise to that position from being a simple clerk. On their way there, they have to become necessarily immersed into one of the greatest bureaucracies ever known. Unerringly, they manage to become one.

The process can be as convoluted and eclectic as the Vatican's holdings. No simple clerk can manage that. If it is true, as rumour has it, that those holdings included an interest in CZ (the one with the Holy Trigger and Dependability), small wonder that people think, including the Pope himself, that everything he touches has an imprimatur of "infallibility'.

The statement of Francis about refugees has that imprimatur. It is worded so that the conundrum has an aura of doctrine and faith. I do not think that Francis made that up by mistake. He believes it, without seemingly a second thought, like those accustomed of shooting stuff through their mouths.

Thing is, he can't help it. Theology of liberation is too ingrained in him.

Good thing this isn't a Catholic theocracy, so the Pope's words mean fuckall.

Why not liquidate some of that treasure y'all got? I mean, if "migrant's rights" trump national security, then certainly they trump all your shiny things in the basement. How many houses could you build all those folks? Build them a whole city, Migrantville, it'll be great, endless piña coladas.

In any case, I want to know what the opinion of the highest authority is, the Great Queen Spider.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
If the above "events" were taken from his book, Tim Lahaye is perhaps as ignorant of the Catholic faith as many of the folks posting in this thread. As such, I have no interest whatsoever in reading his work as it is clear that it is a hit peace on Catholicism.

And, as has been stated, the Pope is not infallible...the Church is.

Sadly, the position of the "church" in 1870 declared the POPE to be infallible.

As far as being a "hit piece", maybe you should try reading it. It is not a hit piece on anybody, it is a study of the upcoming "end times", or perhaps better said a clarification/explanation of the Biblical book of Revelation.

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Originally posted by Dresden:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Sorry. Pope is a knucklehead.

This is about as far as I would go in criticizing him. For all in this thread that are telling him to FOAD and calling him filthy names, he's not...He simply holds an opinion that differs from ours. Stop it.

He's sharing his "opinion" (I strongly doubt he sees it as merely his opinion) with the expectation that good Catholics around the world take his message to heart as if decreed by God, and make themselves busy with working towards the Pope's goals. I'm with Fenris on this one, this Pope is a clown and actively promoting socialism under the guise of Catholicism. He makes me sick.

Elk, the Pope is a man and as fallible as the rest of us, if not more.

The Catholic Church's position is when the Pope is speaking on a matter of faith and morals, and representing the entire church as a whole (explicitly), that his statement is infallible.

This has happened exactly three times in 2000 years.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
As far as being a "hit piece", maybe you should try reading it. It is not a hit piece on anybody,...

"Rome’s false religion too often gives a false security that keeps people from seeking salvation by faith. Rome is also dangerous because some of her doctrines are pseudo-Christian. For example, she believes properly about the personal deity of Christ but errs in adding Babylonian mysticism in many forms and salvation by works” (Revelation Unveiled, p. 269).

I rest my case.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
As far as being a "hit piece", maybe you should try reading it. It is not a hit piece on anybody,...

"Rome’s false religion too often gives a false security that keeps people from seeking salvation by faith. Rome is also dangerous because some of her doctrines are pseudo-Christian. For example, she believes properly about the personal deity of Christ but errs in adding Babylonian mysticism in many forms and salvation by works” (Revelation Unveiled, p. 269).

I rest my case.

When citing to authority, it is useful if that authority is... well... authoritative.