Hey, it's a great fund raising opportunity via fish/shrimp fry around me for the American Legion, VFW and Catholic Church organizations. Plus a good excuse to eat some ho hum quality seafood. that's all.
Shawn
Nothing here to see!
February 24, 2023, 09:52 AM
mark123
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Originally posted by Mr. Kook: mark123,
I'm pretty young in my journey with Christ. I started by reading the scriptures first and then trying to reconcile popular Christianity with them. As you are obviously well aware, popular Christianity cannot be reconciled with the scriptures. It is good to see someone else who takes the scriptures seriously and doesn't simply swallow the traditions of the churches.
Thank you. It is also encouraging to me to see others come to the same conclusions that I have.
I’ve always felt something was missing in every church I’ve attended. I was severely content-starved. I had far too many questions that the ministry not only couldn’t answer, they actively silenced me. Thanks for helping me to not feel like a lone wolf.
February 24, 2023, 10:09 AM
jhe888
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Originally posted by Abn556: There is theology and then there is dogma. As a former Catholic, I recall this topic resulting in many heated conversations as people twisted themselves in knots to explain how it became part of the dogma, but it was based on theology. Remember, Catholics decades ago were told not to read The Bible as the priest needed to interpret it for them.
Now that I am in the Baptist church, when my still Catholic wife asks me about giving up something for Lent, I ask her if she would fast for Ramadan.
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Yes, but it is a meaningful exercise to her and brings her closer to God. What is there to criticise in that? This isn't a competition about whose version of Christianity is more "pure."
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.
February 24, 2023, 10:40 AM
chellim1
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Remember, Catholics decades ago were told not to read The Bible as the priest needed to interpret it for them.
Not in my lifetime... Was that before the printing press and the Gutenberg Bible (1455)? or before most people were able to read?
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
February 24, 2023, 10:51 AM
PASig
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Originally posted by jhe888:
This isn't a competition about whose version of Christianity is more "pure."
You summed up the past 2,000 years right there…
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Originally posted by chellim1:
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Remember, Catholics decades ago were told not to read The Bible as the priest needed to interpret it for them.
Not in my lifetime... Was that before the printing press and the Gutenberg Bible (1455)? or before most people were able to read?
My Dad likes to tell the story of how around 1976 or so during the Jesus Movement when he, previously raised as strict Catholic, began to explore the whole Born Again Christian movement. He brought a Bible home with him and his mother said “GET THAT THING OUT OF MY HOUSE! DON’T YOU KNOW ONLY THE PRIEST IS ALLOWED TO READ THAT?”
She had never touched a Bible and actually still followed the whole “only Priests are supposed to have that” notion.
February 24, 2023, 11:10 AM
chellim1
^^^ LOL, that's pretty funny. Never heard such a thing and I've been Catholic all my life, as have my parents.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
February 24, 2023, 11:17 AM
mark123
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Originally posted by PASig: My Dad likes to tell the story of how around 1976 or so during the Jesus Movement when he, previously raised as strict Catholic, began to explore the whole Born Again Christian movement. He brought a Bible home with him and his mother said “GET THAT THING OUT OF MY HOUSE! DON’T YOU KNOW ONLY THE PRIEST IS ALLOWED TO READ THAT?”
She had never touched a Bible and actually still followed the whole “only Priests are supposed to have that” notion.
Not to pry but did your grandma come over to America being born in Italy?
February 24, 2023, 11:20 AM
Gustofer
Bible reading was never forbidden in the Catholic church. While some may have practiced that, I suspect it is because until Vatican II, Mass was in Latin (and still is in traditional parishes). The congregants relied on the priests interpretation of those Latin readings given in the homily. It was likely just practiced by some for this reason. But, it is an easy way to scream, "See!!! Catholics don't believe in the bible!!!".
Like chellim, my family has always had, and read, the bible.
________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton.
February 24, 2023, 11:21 AM
PASig
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Originally posted by mark123:
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Originally posted by PASig: My Dad likes to tell the story of how around 1976 or so during the Jesus Movement when he, previously raised as strict Catholic, began to explore the whole Born Again Christian movement. He brought a Bible home with him and his mother said “GET THAT THING OUT OF MY HOUSE! DON’T YOU KNOW ONLY THE PRIEST IS ALLOWED TO READ THAT?”
She had never touched a Bible and actually still followed the whole “only Priests are supposed to have that” notion.
Not to pry but did your grandma come over to America being born in Italy?
No but she was the first born in America of parents who left Poland.
February 24, 2023, 12:16 PM
HRK
Fish on Fridays is Fine, all this religion talk reminds me of a joke....
Jews don’t recognize Jesus, Protestants don’t recognize the Pope, Baptists don’t recognize one another in the liquor store.
February 24, 2023, 12:46 PM
chellim1
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Baptists don’t recognize one another in the liquor store.
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” -- Mistakenly attributed to Benjamin Franklin
But we will have beer at our fish fry!
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
February 24, 2023, 02:17 PM
flashguy
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Originally posted by mark123:
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Originally posted by PASig: My Dad likes to tell the story of how around 1976 or so during the Jesus Movement when he, previously raised as strict Catholic, began to explore the whole Born Again Christian movement. He brought a Bible home with him and his mother said “GET THAT THING OUT OF MY HOUSE! DON’T YOU KNOW ONLY THE PRIEST IS ALLOWED TO READ THAT?”
She had never touched a Bible and actually still followed the whole “only Priests are supposed to have that” notion.
Not to pry but did your grandma come over to America being born in Italy?
Sounds more like Spain (the Inquisition). I'm not Catholic but I've never encountered a belief that only priests were allowed to read the Bible. Catholics have their own version of the Bible, which includes a number of books not found in the Protestant one.
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth
February 24, 2023, 02:41 PM
PASig
Remember I said that the incident with my Grandmother and the Bible happened around 1976 so she probably was still stuck in her pre-Vatican II ways with Latin Mass and priests in black with their backs to the congregation.
February 24, 2023, 02:49 PM
kkina
For hundreds of years the early church strenuously suppressed translations of the Bible. Basically they wanted to retain control as the official interpreter of scripture. The first translators were persecuted or even executed. It was at one point actually illegal to own an English version.
Originally posted by PASig: My Dad likes to tell the story of how around 1976 or so during the Jesus Movement when he, previously raised as strict Catholic, began to explore the whole Born Again Christian movement. He brought a Bible home with him and his mother said “GET THAT THING OUT OF MY HOUSE! DON’T YOU KNOW ONLY THE PRIEST IS ALLOWED TO READ THAT?”
She had never touched a Bible and actually still followed the whole “only Priests are supposed to have that” notion.
Not to pry but did your grandma come over to America being born in Italy?
No but she was the first born in America of parents who left Poland.
Ah, I see. I was thinking it sounded like the local italian-born RCs. They’re rather superstitious about religion. One of them even taught my impressionable step-daughter how to protect her house from demons using chalk-written rune-ish symbols on the entry door frame. I’ll try to get pictures the next time I’m there.
February 24, 2023, 03:00 PM
PASig
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Originally posted by kkina: For hundreds of years the early church strenuously suppressed translations of the Bible. Basically they wanted to retain control as the official interpreter of scripture. The first translators were persecuted or even executed. It was at one point actually illegal to own an English version.
“It’s happened before and it’ll happen again”
February 24, 2023, 04:42 PM
Gustofer
________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton.
